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Theology is not what we know about God, but what we do not know about Nature.

Theology is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn’t there and shouting “I found it!”

I have a very simple question for Christians: how fair is infinite torment as a punishment for a life of finite sins?



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DeathStrawberry is writing with his right hand and practicing kanji and guitar.

Speaking of fallacies

If you read any of Malachi 4, you should get the point quickly. This is an explanation of the end time that Christians believe in. God comes back, judges those who rebel and sin, and that’s the end of it. How clear can it be?

Your fallacy, however, is assuming that some Christian apologetics speak for every other Christian. You should know there are many denominations, and they can’t all be right. You need to read about how the Hebrews understood words like “Eternal” before you assume it’s the same as English.

I’ll stop here because I don’t care to convince you, it wouldn’t work, and I know you won’t be teaching me anything I haven’t heard before. Besides, you posted your comment in the “I want to study Theology” topic, and tried to assert your own ideas here. That makes you a TROLL. Find something about “I want to argue more on the internet” and add that to your list.

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> How clear can it be?

Sorry to seem antagonistic. I just read in many Bible verses about Hell being clearly eternal. For example Matthew 18:8:

If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.

At the site I linked above (BibleGateway.com) you can display that verse in many translations. Some mention everlasting instead of “eternal” fire. That’s pretty clear to me.

Now you can assert that all the verses mentioned at http://www.carm.org/uni/eternal_hell.htm that confirm hell’s eternity are mistranslations; or, the Bible seems to have a contradiction between Malachi 4 and these verses. The fact that these verses were cited by apologetics or atheists like me is completely irrelevant. You can get your favorite translation of the Bible and look up the verses yourself.

> You should know there are many
> denominations, and they can’t all
> be right.

All I do is not consider the last denomination as “right”, either.

“Theists think all gods but theirs are false. Atheists simply don’t make an exception for the last one.”unknown

> Besides, you posted your comment in
> the “I want to study Theology” topic,
> and tried to assert your own ideas
> here. That makes you a TROLL.

The topic (goal) is called study Theology and I have marked it as completed, after having studied theology for about 5 years. That makes me KNOWLEDGEABLE.

I have also debated online for more than 10 years, without resorting to ad hominem arguments and debate dismissals.

DeathStrawberry is writing with his right hand and practicing kanji and guitar.

...to be very clear

I am not trying to attack you personally, I was merely pointing out the inappropriateness of your comment. First of all, you mark your experience “Not Worth It”, which directly means you believe your study wasn’t worth it. If you learned something important, then it should be worth it to you. You also plugged a website and set forth your ideas which, despite your intentions, were antagonistic.

To avoid talking any further with you about what you Think you know about Christian beliefs and the Bible, I should tell you that claiming support from different versions of the Bible, and from scholars of the Bible whom you think represent all(or most) Christians, is completely meaningless. Different versions of English translations of the Bible don’t tell you nearly as much as studying the original Hebrew and Greek, which I am doing now. It also doesn’t tell you the cultural context of what you read, which is another subject of my study. Some English translations are very good, and of course most people should read them, but when debates of specific words necessary to form doctrines arise, more intense study is required.

I don’t know your qualifications for talking about Theology, but(and correct me if I’m wrong) it seems that you didn’t learn from a College or University setting.

And finally, I completely reject your assumption that different denominations believe the other denomination’s God is false. It seems your quote is irrelevant to this topic… Denominations merely differ, sometimes greatly, other times not so much, on doctrines. That doesn’t mean we never get along or we criticize each other all the time. And you can’t say Atheists are unified by any means.

The only reason I was trying to dismiss this debate is that I’ve realized in my several years of debating online that Rarely does anything ever get communicated. At least that has been my experience. Feel free to correct me if you’ve learned anything from me just now.

I can only assume this debate will continue until one of us gets tired of it, or both. I’m already a bit tired of it, because I know this isn’t an appropriate place for debate. Otherwise, I would be more willing to engage in discussion (also assuming you aren’t completely closed-minded already). That’s not an insult, just a qualifier to keep from wasting my time and yours.


 

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