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stop Dan Brown from writing any more shitty novels
a little more about this goal 3 years ago

“the davinci code” is pretty much the most simplistic and terribly written abomination that ever disgraced the world of the written word, and “angels and demons” is so very much the runner-up. dan brown is a TERRIBLE author and i can’t believe that his craptastic novels are so popular. with cliffhangers rivalling those of the “goosebumps” series and a flagrant ignorance of history, art, religion and the proper execution of literary elements, the only good thing about mister brown’s books is that they are made of paper and, therefore, one-hundred-percent flammable.



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Deeper Plagarism by Brown

It has often been a fundamental axiom in the writing world that really shitty authors will recycle old plots and characters without so much as a grunt in the original author’s direction.

When I first heard about the Da Vinci Code, it sounded a lot like Foucalt’s Pendulum, which was written at least a decade earlier.

Recently, I stumbled across an old interview in which Eco quips that he was the origin of the plot for Dan Brown’s effort:

Interviewer: Talking about Foucault’s Pendulum, there is a sense in which you did the Da Vinci Code before Dan Brown did. Of course, you did it as a myth that takes on a strange reality and he did it as it was historical truth.

Eco: I told Dan Brown’s story. My characters are his. I gave the broad picture of this kind of literature.

Sadly, Dan Brown is a lot like Stephen King. King is a hack writer who happened to strike at the right time. Hopefully, Brown will at least get better over time, because I don’t see him stopping to write. Once a blockbuster movie has been made by an author’s stories, they typically start to write so they can sell the movie rights. (Look at Michael Chricton, for instance.)

raised to be polite, not to suffer bullshit Life is too short to make just one decision

i thoroughly enjoyed reading that article (thank you for linking to it!), and it’s so wonderful to find smart people who are capable of sussing out the limitless flaws in dan brown.

you said:
Sadly, Dan Brown is a lot like Stephen King. King is a hack writer who happened to strike at the right time. Hopefully, Brown will at least get better over time, because I don’t see him stopping to write. Once a blockbuster movie has been made by an author’s stories, they typically start to write so they can sell the movie rights. (Look at Michael Chricton, for instance.)
oh, a sadder truth has never been spoken. the literary world is weeping right now.

i think what i liked best about mister eco’s interview is that he’s an author who knows how to craft the english language into something spilling over with aesthetic beauty and philosophical merit. dan brown…. vomits all over his pages and appeals to the lowest denominator.

Eco is a brilliant writer. If I ever get off my butt and actually finish a novel or something of that nature, I’ll always (in the back of my mind) compare my work to that of Eco, and come up very short.

Speaking of Dan Brown, there’s an Eco quote, one favorites (there are quite a few) that seems to touch on what Brown and his ilk do in the name of “research” ...

If two things don’t fit, but you believe both of them, thinking that somewhere, hidden, there must be a third thing that connects them, that’s credulity.

That’s from Foucault’s Pendulum, which is a fantastic read, if a bit difficult. It’s very esoteric to say the least. I found it in a box, as I have many of my favorite books, and have since read it four or five times. It always leaves me a little sad and yet fulfilled at the end. Go figure.

devils advocate

I don’t know what everyone’s religious beliefs are, and I hope i’m not touching on a sensitive subject, but I think “The DaVinci Code” does have some worth, even beyond it’s literary merit (or lack thereof). I admit that there was a lot of twisted history in the story, but much of it was accurate, and accurate or not it got people thinking. I agree that “Foucault’s Pendulum” is clearly a superior book, but Eco’s writing style is too much for many people to take in.

What I mean is, in “The Name of the Rose” Eco used hundreds of pages of history and Latin phrases to weed out the uncommitted reader. He made an effort to complicate things, which personally I enjoy, but for the majority of people this is merely a hindrance. In other words, Eco’s books mainly appeal to those in elite literary circles, which are few and far between. Moreover, most of the people who read Eco already have some knowledge of the subject matter; so as much of a scholar as he may be he’s not going to have an impact on society like Dan Brown did.

As far as the plagiarism issue, i’m not sure how I feel. After all, throughout history philosophers have been plagiarizing each other over and over again. If you follow the progression of modern philosophy, you’ll find trends that evolve over the centuries. Maybe this is just the best way of relating an idea to as many people as possible. I mean the Romans basically plagiarized the Greeks’ entire culture/society, but look at all the creativity that came out of that. As the father of modern Science put it, “There is no such thing as an original thought.” I don’t know if I completely support Francis Bacon’s position, but who am I to argue with the man who coined the phrase “Knowledge is power.”

We all agree that “Foucault’s Pendulum” is a remarkable book, but it feels like something meant only for the literary intelligentsia. That’s fine, but I like that Dan Brown was able to reach so many people with his book. People are constantly discussing “The DaVinci Code”, but I can’t say that i’ve ever heard anyone engrossed in a conversation about Umberto Eco (outside of my philosophy classes). It’s a shame, but you can’t expect everyone to be innately intellectual.

In any case, Dan Brown got people thinking about religion and history in new ways. In my opinion that’s a good thing, for both the devout and the secular worlds. The fact is there is no definitive source when it comes to this type of material, so i’m not going to presume to criticize any author who chooses to write about such a challenging subject. Maybe it means i’m not as judgmental, but I have to support Dan Brown within this context. As far as Andrew’s thoughts on credulity, Brown himself stated that he wasn’t writing fact, but instead something that more closely resembles folklore. Eco wrote for those who enjoy the likes of Kierkegaard. Brown wrote for the people who are stimulated by simpler things, but each in their own way was able to make people think.

If you really want to get in to it, you should check out Eco’s “A Theory of Semiotics” and “Belief or Nonbelief”.

raised to be polite, not to suffer bullshit Life is too short to make just one decision

i just want to make sure everyone still knows that "the davinci code" IS NOT LITERATURE

you get hardcore points for being the second person EVER who i’ve heard make an intellectual and viable argument for dan brown. and NO ONE has ever made it sound so good and polished. if i was wearing a hat, i’d tip it to you with much honour and respect.

the problem is that people cling to the things they read in “the davinci code” as indelible truths. i’ve had many, many arguments of varying shades with people about the merits of dan brown’s books, and they all grasp onto some obscure and obvious fiction, swearing it MUST MUST MUST MUST be true, and only having that book to fall back on as a method of verification. it’s quite frustrating, and rather indicative of the sort of people who adore brown’s novels.

brown does what almost every other popular writer does: he gets people to read and discuss ideas, but look at the substance. it’s pure junk food, stuffed with the same air and fluff that goes into a twinkie. only, unlike the indestructable snacking favourite, dan brown’s shelf life won’t be nearly as long. a twinkie can survive the apocolypse, but “the davinci code” doesn’t have a chance of finding immortality in the literary canon.

LOVE the twinkie/apocalypse analogy

A quote from the introduction of Ayn Rand’s “The Fountainhead” immediately popped into my head when I read your reply.

“Novels, in the proper sense of the word, are not written to vanish in a month or a year. That most of them do, today, that they are written and published as if they were magazines, to fade as rapidly, is one of the sorriest aspects of today’s literature, and one of the clearest indictments of its dominant esthetic philosophy: concrete-bound, journalistic Naturalism which has now reached its dead end in the inarticulate sounds of panic…. Longevity – predominantly, though not exclusively – is the prerogative of a literary school which is virtually non-existent today: Romanticism…. It deals, not with the random trivia of the day, but with the timeless, fundamental, universal problems and values of human existence.”

Through “The DaVinci Code” Brown was able to introduce people to ideas and theories which would have otherwise remained unheard by the mass majority. Unfortunately, it was in the form of conjecture, and his ‘target audience’ took it as a new version of history. Very few have studied Descartes and the Cogito, so circular reasoning doesn’t stand out as much to most. Sadly, this shows the pop culture-ness that has saturated our society. “The DaVinci Code” has basically become a trend, and we all know how much people love a conspiracy theory.

My reason for defending his book has more to do with personal interests than his talent or ineptitude as a writer. I’ve been casually studying philosophy, history and theology while pursuing my psychology degrees, and i’ve come across a lot of material on the subject. There is some truth to Brown’s book, but more importantly, its creation has in a sense injected a small dose of intellectualism into pop culture.

I’ve been working as a carpenter to put myself through school, and I am amazed when the guys I work with go from a discussion about big trucks and hot chicks to the hypocrisy in today’s religions. Most of them haven’t even read the book, but for some reason they’ve now become part-time scholars as a result of it’s existence. My grandfather has been a minister for nearly 50 years, and he has spent the last few months reading up on Mary Magdalene and early Christianity as a result of the publication of “The DaVinci Code.” He doesn’t take a single word of Brown’s book at face value, but as contrary as it may seem he doesn’t think the Bible was based on fact either. In any case it’s fun to watch him learn new stuff at the age of 91.

On a personal note, I don’t like to reveal this very often, but when it comes to reading i’m somewhat disabled. I like to blame it on my attention problems, but in any case i’ve only read one book cover to cover in my entire life. Guess what it was. I do feel like a literary philistine by admitting that, but it’s the sad truth. I don’t know why, but I was able to read the DaVinci code in only a few hours without a break (probably b/c it was such a simple read). The book’s release also happened to coincide with a class I was taking on early Christianity, so that may have contributed to my interest. And that’s all I have to say about that… ; )

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first of all, you quoted “the fountainhead.” i have to love you for that.

and i read your paragraph immediately following the ayn rand passage while wanting to shout “yes! jesus christ, someone finally got it right!” oh, more kudos to you.

i will give “the davinci code” credit for bringing seemingly obtuse ideas to the surface of popular culture, aye. but it was just a series of good ideas that needed to be handled by a more capable writer and directed at a less gullible audience. pop culture and its victims aren’t the sharpest crayons in the toolshed, and i have real issues when a truly well-written and artistically meritous novel falls into the public eye, because i’m a complete intellectual snob and hate that people who just don’t get it are taking in items of intense and limitless beauty and failing to see anything other than the superficial elements. i think my biggest problem is that, even if there was a deeper element at work in “the davinci code” (though if you’d like to argue that there is, i can stand to be corrected), no one would see it. i have read “angels and demons,” which i found to be a less painful and obvious read, so i was able to recognise brown’s formula almost immediately. i knew whodunnit the second he introduced the as-of-yet-undiscovered villain; as in “angels and demons,” “the davinci code” antagonist was the character that the hero (i have since forgotten his name…. robert something?) trusts the most—which really takes a whack out of the harvard professor’s credibility as a detective figure, anyway.

you said:
“I am amazed when the guys I work with go from a discussion about big trucks and hot chicks to the hypocrisy in today’s religions. Most of them haven’t even read the book, but for some reason they’ve now become part-time scholars as a result of it’s existence.”
this made me giggle a lot. it seems as though people who have read the book suddenly feels that they can back up every ridiculous semi-religious statement with “well “the davinci code” said that….” a simple book that glosses over religious and general history is NOT going to replace the authority that comes from even casually studying the individual topics under those umbrellas.

you also said:
“My grandfather has been a minister for nearly 50 years, and he has spent the last few months reading up on Mary Magdalene and early Christianity as a result of the publication of “The DaVinci Code.” He doesn’t take a single word of Brown’s book at face value, but as contrary as it may seem he doesn’t think the Bible was based on fact either. In any case it’s fun to watch him learn new stuff at the age of 91.”
now that’s just all kinds of rad. people who look at the “facts” presented in brown’s book and seek OTHER, more viable sources as their primary mode of learning are the kind of people who benefit the most from dan brown’s dogged insistance to publish more books. and, aye, i have a hard time believing that all things in the Bible are hard and fast truths, as God himself did not pen the Bible himself. it was written down by very fallable men, and, therefore open to interpretation. as long as people use the Bible and its basic doctrine (be nice to people! don’t be an asshole!) as an instrument of good and NOT as a way of encouraging hate (because, seriously, God does not hate fags and is not killing iraqi soldiers to punish gay americans, and anyone who thinks so needs to rendered incapable of reproducing by the most painful means necessary), all’s well in my world.

pft, as much as i bitch and moan and lord my degree in english over mere mortals to prove that i am the all-knowing expert on what is and isn’t a good read…. it’s usually tongue-in-cheek. “harry potter” gets kids to read more, so adults need something to use as a springboard into the wonderful world of bookworming. if “the davinci code” can be someone’s training wheels to help them arrive safely at more advanced literary destinations, then i will concede a bit of my elitism and say that the book has another use besides existing as a victorious method of stoking my fireplace.

i wish more people who oppose my views could provide such chamring banter and intriguing devil’s advocacies. this has made my work day a little less slow-moving and quite a bit more interesting. so thanks for that. :)

Great minds think alike..

“this made me giggle a lot”

I love making people giggle a lot..

I have to admit that like you, I sometimes get the urge to vomit when people start to spout platitudes as if they’re educating me on the subject. I’ve spent hours in class studying the material covered in the DaVinci code & Foucault’s Pendulum, so it’s a real trip when someone tries to enlighten me based on their extensive knowledge of ‘The history of the church according to Dan Brown’. Other than the false prophet types, I get a real kick out of it when people get sudden urges to discuss early christianity after five shots & way too many beers.

BTW, it’s great to talk to someone who can actually have an interesting discussion without breaking out in some self-righteous rant. I think your a pretty cool person, underneath all the intellectual snob-ness & literary elitism of course… ;) lol

if you figure out how

to achieve this goal, please let me know.

Actually, if people want to write shitty novels, it’s okay with me. I just wish publishers wouldn’t publish them. But of course, they do so believing that people will buy them.

And in this case, they were right.

But why, why, why, why? When so many extrordinary writers go unread, underrecognized, are underpaid….

But, as Truman Capote famously said, “Honey, don’t let me commence.

Dan Brown and Michael Crichton

Glitzcrapola packaged
neatly and served to
the almost lowest
demographic; kinda like
television with PBS, CSpan
and the NASA Channel excised.

OK, like a Spielberg film, too.
Excepting Shindler’s List.

Yeah, yeah… I’m a snob
poet. Eat my shorts.

))){

Scott back to the monotony

Nice

I rarely actually laugh out loud when I read something on the internet. I laughed when I read this goal. It is so true, his books are terrible. They are also all basically the same book. The only good thing is that he gives me hope of getting something published if I make an attempt, because if shit like that can get published then so can I, right?

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I am the only one I know (up until now)

that was throughly disgusted with THE DAVINCI CODE. While the ‘theory’ behind it was intriguing enough (I wasn’t aware of the Knights of the Templar, etc), I didn’t figure this could have been the first ‘book’ written on this subject.

Moreover, since the author declares this is a work of fiction, HAVE A REAL ENDING! GET SOME CLOSURE! I was so put out with the gauzy, maybe, did ya think it was ending provided for us.

Cripes, and they made a movie out of it.
What next?

damn the dewey decimal system an old time radio

the way i see it..

we can try to put a halt to the production of his shitty novels by not purchasing them. for now, that is all we can do. but i hope i never see another movie even loosely based on one of his horrible books. it bothers me more that people think the da vinci code was nonfiction. sigh. stupidity is a growing epidemic that people like dan brown thrive upon.

Wow.

I’m surprised. But, of course, everyone has their own opinions. Some say J. K. Rowling is a terrible writer. But I cheer her for her accomplishments. But this is a funny goal and I like it. So kudos.

yeswayjosé is ready for the year of the tiger!

love to

he perverts history as much as he perverts literature. years ago i worked as a tour guide in rome & the vatican while doing graduate studies in religions and cultures and i cannot tell you how many people would argue with me about well documented facts because they were misled by dan brown. it drove me maaaaaaaaaaaad! the fiction disclaimer is no excuse for grossly neglecting any kind of research. i guess he mistook careless plagiarism for research. what a jerk.

finding this goal made my night. thanks!


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