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I went to a wedding yesterday.

The couple read each other poetry and self-written vows, their voices cracked with emotion. They were both close to tears, gazing into each other’s eyes and, later, at the reception ceilidh, the bride sang to her new husband and he gazed on with undisguised adoration. I spent most of the day with my utterly loved up and newly engaged friends M and L, who were taking mental notes and excitedly planning their own wedding down to the tiniest detail.

The whole day was truly magical. I did cry – I always cry at weddings. But the whole experience has made me feel slightly disturbed and confused about my own capacity to love and be loved, and my mental block on the expression and the receiving of that love.

I want love. I do. But I walk around saying I want to be in love and I do eventually want to marry someone, and yet I have never thought about what it would be like. I’ve thought about the actual concept of being married, of spending my life with one person, legally committed to them, and this doesn’t phase me at all, quite the opposite. It’s what I want. I can’t think of anything better than finding someone I’d be happy to see every day forever.

But the wedding itself? I have barely ever given a moment’s thought to it. Where I would like it to be, what sort of dress I would have, the ceremony, how many bridesmaids, who… My friends M and L had been out the previous day sourcing tiny clothespegs for the seating plans. Yesterday’s cake was a layer of ginger parkin topped with cheesecake, combining the bride and groom’s favourite cakes. These tiny creative details are alien to me. And while pledging my troth sounds cool the idea of expressing my love for someone in front of over a hundred people with a self-written poem fills me with some kind of mixture of terror and nausea. When directed towards or coming from myself, the very idea of such public romanticism, traditional or personally directed, fills me with nausea and terror. I want it and yet it repels me. I can’t even find it within me. Why is that?

L’s had her wedding half-planned in her head since she was a young girl. Isn’t that the normal way for girls?

What happens? Do you reach a point when you’re in love with someone where a trigger switches in your head and turns it to mush? Where everything you see around you holds significance and potential for romantic expression? Where you cease feeling embarrassed by traditional or personal public displays of love, and start to actively plan them and seek them out? I discussed it with M, and he said that if and when I do get married I’ll understand. I don’t know if I will understand. I guess I really haven’t been in love.

My capacity for expressing and receiving affection is topsy-turvy. I do it, to some extent, through sex. I chase love, I want it so much, but I approach it from the direction of my pants. I have referred to myself on 43 as more of a “bend me over the sofa kind of girl”. I did it again yesterday, talking to M and L. Why do I do this? I am far more comfortable with sex than I am with love. I’m 31 and I’m driven by my knickers. Am I sabotaging myself to avoid what I see as the crippling embarrassment of exposing my weak, cold heart and opening myself to rejection? There may not always be someone around who loves you and wants to be with you, but there will always be someone who wants to do you. Am I so afraid of feeling something solid that sex is the closest I get to feeling true affection for someone? Am I limiting my options with my view of myself and by my actions? Have I been turning the relationships I’ve been having into a fuckfest at the expense of something deeper and longer-lasting, through fear? Sex is important to me – very important – but it’s not necessarily the path to true love.

I don’t know what to do about this. I need my needs to be met on all levels. I just don’t know how to get there.



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ReadyToSoar wants to be Captain Caveman

Hmmmm

I don’t know what to say to some of this…

But as for not imagining what your wedding would be like, I don’t think that’s a big deal at all. The person you end up marrying is a lot more important than the day of the ceremony. I too really would like to be married and to have a child or two, but I don’t sit around dreaming about my wedding day. I don’t need the fancy dress, the fancy cars, the big party and the big expenses and I don’t care if my honeymoon involves just driving along the coast and staying in caravans along the way. Once again, it’s about the person, not the wedding ceremony.

As for whether you’ve ever been in love, only you can answer that. I wonder that myself. I believe you know you love someone if you can accept them just as they are. To be honest, I haven’t met any men in my life who I could accept as they are- and nor should I have accepted my ex! Lying and cheating wimps just don’t do it for me!

And there’s nothing wrong with placing a lot of importance on sex. It IS important.

And whether you actually fear committed relationships, or if you just genuinely haven’t met the right person is something only you can answer…

Absnasm is mostly elsewhere.

I'm not so bothered really by the fact that I haven't planned my wedding out.

It’s the panic and the fear that I feel towards having a different, more holistic kind of relationship than the one I’m used to that frightens me. A relationship where my affection for this one person is so strong that I am compelled to override my instinct to keep my feelings about it to myself, or at least to the two of us and maybe a few close friends, and shout about it to the world, take part in the kind of ritualised mush that at once attracts me and repels me. And I fear commitment to the wrong person. I am afraid that the importance I place on sex will lead me down a path where I think I love someone and they think they love me, but really we don’t, it’s fake, we’re just dickmatised. And yet I constantly put myself at risk of this. The first few heady, head-swimmy months of a relationship are easy. Men are always impressed by my liberal and frankly greedy attitude to sex. It hooks them in. Getting them to relate to me on this level is a piece of cake, because I think about it like a man does. Sometimes it winds up repelling them because they start to feel emasculated and used, and I find myself unable to display myself to them as anything but a sexual creature. And when I try I feel almost embarrassed and ashamed at my weakness and sudden neediness and emotional vulnerability, and they don’t know how to deal with this sudden new facet to my personality, and they get confused. I have to learn how to break through this barrier and present myself as a whole person from the start.

What you say about accepting someone as they are being a sign of love could well be very true. This is partly why I gave up on my “man without issues” goal. My ex once said to me that if you love someone you would be prepared to make any sacrifice for them, or to be with them, and he wasn’t prepared to, and this is how he knew he wasn’t in love with me. There are so many definitions. Some people say you “just know”. But how do you know you know? Everyone’s perception comes from within their own head. So everyone’s perception is already coloured by the content of their brain and their experiences. There are people who’ve “just known” who’ve wound up in bitter break-ups and mutual hatred months later. My instincts have been wrong so many times – coloured by sex, or neediness, or desperation – that I am becoming afraid to trust them.

I haven’t really given you a proper answer, have I? Just a stream-of-consciousness babble. My apologies. My head is crumbling slightly today.

ReadyToSoar wants to be Captain Caveman

You don't need to give me an answer

I kind of got the impression that you were just venting in the first place and wasn’t really expecting anyone to have any answers to your questions. But at the same time, I’m guessing that they are the kind of confusing thoughts and feelings that you probably want someone on here to at least acknowledge- or at least that’s how I feel when I’m on here venting.

As for “just knowing” (and I speak from personal experience here) early in a relationship, I think that “knowing” is just lust and not love. Just like I know I could not possibly have loved my ex or just known that I would one day love him- which was stupidly what I thought when I first met him. And when he mentioned this supposed “powerful connection” when we first met in a letter he sent me about a week and a half ago I was just about ready to punch him. And hey, he wasn’t prepared to make any sacrifices to be with me either. And I think I deserve a man who WOULD do anything to be with me. Not someone who is too busy pleasing people who don’t really matter. So powerful connection my arse!

Absnasm is mostly elsewhere.

Thanks, RTS.

The acknowledgment is vastly appreciated. Nowt worse than writing a long spiel, pouring your heart out, and no one noticing. What an attention whore I am.

Sorry you’ve felt deceived by your instincts in the past too. In a way, we are lucky these days that we get to try people out for a bit before we decide to settle down with them. In the olden days (I love that phrase), that first flush of lust was taken as the signal to get married, and imagine the complete doofusses we might have wound up with then.

LL

Abs...

do you think that’s what you’re really doing? Or have you perhaps been thrown into a bit of a tailspin after being confronted with the wedding and wedding plans? And I do mean confronted... because it’s absolutely possible to overjoyed for others, and yet sad for yourself about that same good fortune they’re experiencing.

Having a ‘wedding vision’ is neither here nor there. Weddings are supposed to be a celebration of a couple’s love for one another, and their decision to share their lives. It has to be personal and meaningful… if you’re not a white dress and three-tier cake kinda gal, well… who cares?

When you find the man you’re supposed to be with, you’ll find a way to celebrate that is right for you. And from what I know of you, I imagine that will be a celebration that is fun, creative, emotional and unique… and utterly, utterly Abs.

Absnasm is mostly elsewhere.

I'm certainly in a tailspin.

Everyone around me seems to be getting married and moving in together and having babies. OK, not everyone, but several of my close friends, including those that declared they would never settle down. I get the feeling I’m at the start of several long summers during which all my close friends will gradually pair up and marry off. I’ve never even been a bridesmaid. I might even now be too old to be a bridesmaid out of anything but indecent pity.

It’s not the weddings themselves that are getting to me. It’s the maturing of my friends’ relationships into something they feel they can declare permanent, something they feel merits a public demonstration of love, while I still find that last thought frankly embarrassing and icky when applied to myself. And even through that, I want it! Argh! I’m a mess! I’m not from an emotionally demonstrative family. My own parents eloped and married secretly and quietly, with two witnesses, and told everyone afterwards, partly cos of grandparental disapproval, but partly, I think, cos of their own mental blocks about publicly expressing what they feel for each other. I always thought that was sad, but now I’m being exposed to my own generation’s weddings, I’m starting to understand.

Baldyfella is Lex Luthor

I so badly want to cheer this

And I have none left.

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Absnasm is mostly elsewhere.

Which bit are you cheering, Baldy?

And why? I’d be interested to get a Welsh male point of view.

Baldyfella is Lex Luthor

I wanted to cheer all these entries

My male perspective (bearing in mind I’m not sleeping well and this might come out garbled):

Love
You say that you’re more comfortable with sex than you are with love. I know quite a few people, male and female, like this. As I think you’ve worked out, it comes from having an emotionally restrictive upbringing. Our family was the same, a large catholic family wherein any displays of intimate affection and emotion were frowned upon.
You’re clearly an emotional person, and I think you have a lot of love to give. It doesn’t have to be bottled up until you find the right person.
I can understand the fear of being hurt, and the desire to wait until you’re sure before committing. But waiting and wondering might drive the right person away. Take a risk. OK, you may get hurt. Lots of people get hurt. That kind of hurt is far worse than many wounds, yet people do recover and can become a stronger person.
The trick is learning to display your emotions. It took me a long time to do this, and I’m still not very good at it. I’m a needy and vulnerable too. Way too sensitive. But I don’t hide these facets away. If these emotions caused problems in a relationship, then that person and I are not meant to be. Love is not only tingly feelings and dry mouths and sweaty palms. Love is also about accepting someone, no matter if they can’t get out of bed until they’re told they are loved, or they occasionally freak out and become unsure of their feelings.

Weddings
Don’t get me started on this. All too often, people think a wedding is about other people, they spend a fortune trying to impress and build their special day into a tour de force of cliché.
I’d be happy enough to get married in a field wearing shorts and a t-shirt, then whisk my beloved away for some quality alone time. It’s about the feelings you have for someone and realising that this is the person to whom you are committing the rest of your life to, and you’re doing it willingly with no reservations. It’s nice to have other people there to celebrate, but I’d rather have people who want to be there, no matter where there is, not folk who are after some free grub and a piss-up.

That was more than garbled. I hope I make some kind of sense.

Muriel is realizing her life circumstances.

I am terribly glad to see someone who also thinks that weddings are not about other people.

I’m in that struggle now, trying to not start a rumbling of families, but keep the wedding small.

SwirlyAnge

Woah

I can so relate to heaps of this Abs and want to give you a huge hug! I’m sorry, I don’t really have any advice, but I definately understand. Until I met my boyfriend, the idea of being in a committed relationship freaked me out. I just always had this vision of myself as single and had never really thought about coupledom. And what you were saying about using your sexuality – i won’t go into it here – but i really understand. I know it sounds so cliche and frustrating, but when you’re ready and when you meet the right person it will all fall into place.

You know every phase of our life holds its own lessons, and we tend to repeat patterns until we’ve learnt what we’re meant to. Sorry I haven’t been more helpful (I’m tired and very inarticulate tonight!) but just wanted to let you know I am listering xxx

calypte ready for something new :)

we all want love

But coupledom scares me, in many ways. Weddings? Bleugh! Who needs the hassle, the ostentation?

There’s nothing wrong with enjoying freedom, nothing wrong with enjoying sex. When you honestly become bored of the single life, you’ll find those attitudes change themselves. At least, that’s what I think!

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annabanana is reveling in the tree full (full!) of singing robins in the yard.

i just wanted to say

i didn’t plan my wedding as a little girl or teenager. it never occurred to me.

in fact, it wasn’t until i moved to vancouver (which is full of weirdos) that i even met people who had ideas about what their engagement rings were going to look like, or their dresses or what music they’d walk down the aisle to. i think i had thought engagement rings were either rare, traditional and conservative, or trashy and mindless. i had no idea processional music was empirically important.

and then i moved to vancouver and met smart modern women who, in comparison to me, seemed obsessed with these things.

in the last two or three years, most of my girlfriends have gotten married, some extravagantly, some not, and i usually cry, but it still hasn’t seriously occurred to me to get married. i have no idea why.

i’m saying all this to (hopefully) convince you that you aren’t that unusual.

or, to at least show you that there is one other woman out there who doesn’t go misty at the thought of a white fluffy veil. ;)

as for sexualising your relationships out of fear, i think you’re the only one who knows if you’re living up to your potential in that arena.

i have a dear friend who once told me, “anna, most people say you should only risk what you’re willing to loose. i say you should risk what you’re willing to win.”

so, if you want to win it all....

(i just don’t think you get any grand prizes without going out on a few limbs and putting energy into it.)

Oh, Abs

Weddings always make you feel like that when you’re single. Can I introduce you to my cousin? She has been saying for years how she was never going to get married, and now look. So many times I wished love for her, and then finally this guy came into her life. They are so weird and so perfect for each other. It will happen for you. You’re really such a fun, lovely woman.

Absnasm is mostly elsewhere.

That looks like a fantastic wedding.

Fancy dress would be so cool, and actually fits perfectly with my defence mechanism of deflecting traditional romanticism with humour. And I loooooove fancy dress! I admire their bravery for just doing what they wanted to do, too. So many people just go along with what they think people expect of them. My friend SweetCherryPie is getting married in a fortnight, and her groom will be arriving in a ‘70s-style camouflage Jeep cos it’s way more him than a big white car with ribbons on it. Promises to be a funtastic do.

By the way, I’m no longer single. Early days, but I’m happy :-)

Muriel is realizing her life circumstances.

Hello

I just thought I would drop a comment. I am much like you, I have wanted love and commitment – to be happy with this person I’ve chosen to spend my life with.

But, I never thought about the wedding. I didn’t dream of it or imagine the decorations. The dress never occurred to me in sketches and the attendants were never a question.

But now, I’m getting married. Now I’m thinking about who, what, and where. Frankly, I’m glad I haven’t been pining over some dream because it’s not just my day, it’s our day. Preconceived notions of how a wedding should be are just a wrong way to think about it – I think.

The day will not be perfect and I’m sure things will go wrong, but once it happens, I want to be happy. Not with just the flowers and dress, but with our choices of eachother and our future.

I’m young, the surrounding people are also married, some with children. My fiance? He’s ten years older than me! I can feel rushed at times, but I hope you remember that when the time is right, you’ll know. Everything just…falls into place.

Fred is so in love. :D

I see that this was written a while back...

...but still had to respond. I saw a lot of myself in what you wrote, particularly the bit about being far more comfortable with physical intimacy than emotional intimacy. I don’t think I used to be that way, but I’ve sort of had my heart broken (for lack of a better phrase) a couple times this year, and apparently it’s affected me more than I’d thought. To make matters worse, I now seem to be dating someone with the same problem…heh.

So yes, you’re definitely not alone in this, and I wish you all the best in facing those fears and allowing others to see more of your true self. I believe that’s the only way to find someone who loves you for who you are, after all… :)


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