Paddo

Convert coffee drinkers to tea drinkers
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I converted over to tea a few years ago, it is much better for studying – a calmer stimulation whereas coffee tends to make you want to go out and party, whereas you need calm patience for the endless boredom of studying.
The problem is I recently heard an interview with an expert on Fluoride. Fluoride is toxic and a strong pharmacological agent. they used to use it to control hyperthyroidism 6 – 10 mg/day, since it particularly affects the thyriod – perhaps by antagonizing Iodide, and maybe by damaging iodide receptors since it apparently is cytotoxic.
Green or black tea has naturally high fluoride, it is one of the very few plants that absorb it from the soil. they think it might be to deter animals from eating it since it makes them nauseous. I have gotten nauseous from drinking black tea without milk, I thought it was the bitter antioxidants like catechins but maybe not.
Anyway natural Fluoride is not as bad as the industrial sludge they put in our drinking water which is not NaF but hydro-fluoro-salicylic acid plus other toxins like arsenic 1 ppb. Acc to Dr Kennedy the US EPA (scientific advisory branch of the US govt) found 0.2 ppm in drinking water harmful to infants (US govt rec’s 10X that in drinking water). A cup of Lipton’s ice tea was found to have 8 ppm (or about 2 mg).

So everything was turned on its head for me a few days ago with this talk – shouldn’t just rely on one talk so I’ll be checking up – might even do my masters thesis on it. But he seemed very credible, a dentist with a degree in comparative biochem and physiology. it might turn out that the natural F is not too bad… but I doubt it. Fluoride is apparently also put in all sorts of medical drugs as a potent physiological activator – another reason to avoid the medical crap.

Sorry to throw a wrench in the works… it threw me off quite severely, but that’s nutrition…

I have a slight addiction to caffeine – need one cup a day to avoid headaches and malaise – so will divide it between yerba mate and coffee until I find out more. A box of Lipton’s has already gone in the garbage.

Aug 26, 2006, 12:22PM PDT


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perpetualspiral is a work in progress

Interesting...

I also get nauseous from black tea and green tea if I drink it on an empty stomach. I thought it was the caffeine or something. Have you done any further research on this? I’d love to know whether I should just stick with my herbals.

May 17, 2007, 08:34AM PDT | Thread | Respond to this

Paddo

Fluoride in tea

I actually did go on to do my MS (nutrition) research module on fluoride. It’s even worse than I thought – also is neurotoxic, causes lowered IQ and probably behavioral disorders esp when infants or fetuses are exposed. Anyway black and green tea have a lot of fluoride in them. Some studies have directly demonstrated the effect of drinking tea on fluoride disease. Even more bad news – one of the other very few plants that accumulate fluoride is rooibos. I’m wondering if maybe rooibos also has a calming or “refreshing” effect due to the fluoride suppressing the thyroid, since it doesn’t have caffeine apparently. I haven’t found anything indicating that Yerba Mate concentrates fluoride however so it’s probably OK. It’s thought that these plants may use fluoride as a poison to prevent animals eating them. Of course it’s much more concentrated if you eat the actual plant rather than make a tea out of it – probably even more concentrated than fluoride toothpaste which is very very dangerous to children (unlikely to kill them, just cause nerve and brain damage).
There’s a small study that suggests fluoride may be a primary cause of bone disease in adults (sampled all bone disease patients combined), which may explain the huge increase over the last 20 or 30 years of things like arthritis and osteoporosis. Of course no-one has followed it up with a bigger study.
Read “the Fluoride Deception” to get a good idea of the history of the fluoride scam and the evidence for harm. If you want a copy of my thesis I can email it to you, it covers over 50 papers and is very informative (unfortunately I was obliged to write it in a boring academic style).

May 17, 2007, 10:13AM PDT | Thread | Respond to this

perpetualspiral is a work in progress

Great!

I would LOVE to read your thesis. I’ve Googled some info but nothing talks about roobois having fluoride (if it does, I’m so sad, because it’s my favourite). I also get nauseous from Yerba Mate, so maybe it is the caffiene after all. Still, i have enough health problems without adding the fluoride toxin. Does your paper have a complete list of safe/unsafe teas? I’m going to throw out my green and black teas and want to know if others are unsafe! My email address is aerriel@hotmail.com. Thanks, I’ll let you know when I’ve read it!

:)

May 18, 2007, 10:24AM PDT | Thread | Respond to this

Paddo

The only ones I know of that have F are rooibos and
“ordinary” black/green tea. I heard of another plant but
can’t remember what it is. Other plants will get high
amounts of F if it is very high environmentally where they
are growing in soil or air (eg near an Aluminum smelter or
superphosphate plant). Hopefully most of our unprocessed
food doesn’t have much. It’s annoying to find out that
organic food does not have any special fluoride restriction,
either in content or in use in pesticides etc. Processed
food also has little or no restriction (as far as I recall), but typically
processed food that has water added may use fluoridated
water dep on where the factory is. Big cities are the main water fluoridaters, no doubt because it’s much more convenient to dump the toxic waste in huge city water supplies. But some states have legislated total fluoridation for the whole state I think.
If you google “rooibos fluoride” you’ll get lots of hits. Not
sure about the actual amount compared to ordinary tea,
which is quite high typically (see this link
http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/9/fluoride_tea.htm -
fluoridated water is supposed to be 0.8 to 1.2 ppm)
It would be nice if Rooibos turned out to have a fairly
insignificant amount but that’s unlikely or they wouldn’t
misguidedly brag about it, and many foods have trace
amounts naturally which is not a problem if low enough.

Note, the paper was restricted to reviewing peer-reviewed
papers only, so it’s pretty dry, and can’t look at
political and commercial factors and other forms of evidence, that are so glaringly
obvious in “the Fluoride Deception”. Fairly detailed
assessment of each paper, and some “pro-fluoride” ones I
found were either amazingly dumb science or fraudulent
(though I couldn’t say that in the paper of course). Strong evidence is presented that F is only partially blocked by the blood brain barrier, despite denial by science “authorities”.
What’s horrible is that they keep getting away with all these sorts of deceptions right in front of our noses, and we can’t seem to do anything about it because mass media is so controlled.

May 19, 2007, 06:36AM PDT | Thread | Respond to this

perpetualspiral is a work in progress

Rooibos and Fluoride

Interestingly, after a quick google search, all the pages that came up for this were touting the fluoride in rooibos as a benefit – for good teeth etc. I might have to dig a little deeper. Thanks for the info. I haven’t received your paper yet – just wondering if my filter caught it and deleted it or if you haven’t sent it yet, or maybe it bounced? I don’t mind the dry academic stuff, I went to University too, so I’m used to it…

May 19, 2007, 12:25PM PDT | Thread | Respond to this

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Wow, I got to this a little late, but I have written something about this in my blog, with an excellent link to a scientific article that has been a lifesaver for me. It basically tells you the amounts of fluoride in all teas, etc. Herbal teas and Yerba Mate should be safe by the way. See my link: http://meatlessmeals.blogspot.com/2008/10/problem-with-tea.html

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