convince people not to circumsize their sons (read all 3 entries…)
It's a very common practice in Israel 4 years ago

even among non-religious Jews. When I ask people why they do it, it eventually comes down to “he will be different and the other children will laugh at him”. Well, I don’t think so, and it strikes me as a very poor reason to perform an unnecessary operation on a baby.
I am not the type of person to give advice when I’m not asked, but every time someone approaches me with the dilemma of whether to circumsize or not – I will do my best to convince them not to. The first step should be to let it be more known that I haven’t circumsized my own son.



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i cheer that you know, but

i’d just remove “convince” from the title. you know i am 100% with you on that one, it’s just that i do think that people should do what they want to do. if they wanna do it, it will make me sad for their children, but until we are a more enlightened society, it is within their prerogative.

BTW, to those who tell you “I don’t want my child to be different” try and answer: “And should the once in a lifetime opportunity rise for you to move to, say, the US, or somewhere incredible that you always wanted to move to, not even for forever, just for a couple of (probably defining) years. would it bother you that your child will ultimately be completely different from everybody else?” Funny how their logic takes them just as far as comfortable.

I thought...

I should have written “convince people that they don’t have to circumsize their sons”.

they really don't have to

oh well.

do you think it’ll work? :)

It may...

If I can save even one or two innocent babies… you know…

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Hi. Thank you for this input.

It was very informative and interesting.
You write: “We also figured if he wants it done when he is older then we’d certainly assist him to do it if that is what HE wants”. I agree to that! That’s exactly the point. He should be able to choose.
Why do I feel that I have to convince people? – that’s a very good question and I’m aware of the problematic sides. The answer is, where I live, there is so much pressurethe other way, people don’t really feel that they have a fair choice. I can’t agree to that.

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I disagree.

The most common reasons to circumsize are, in my opinion, tradition and habbit. Does it make sence to you, to remove body parts because they may get infected or cancerous? Breasts for instance, or the appendicit? Even if the research was as definitive as you describe it, which it isn’t – there is also research showing the opposite – that crcumsizion may be harmful to a baby’s health.

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It's been a pleasure to talk to you about this,

even if we disagree! Thanks for your comments!

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In many ways it's even more important.

As far as I know, female circumcision is far more crule and hurtful than male circumcision. I limit my goal because I only mean to convince the people around me. They would never cosider circumcising their daughters, but they would not hesitate to circumcise their sons, even if they do agree it’s unfair. They feel it’s more unfair to raise him as different from other boys.

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I Agree With You, But...

I fully agree with you that circumcision should not be performed on babies. I was circumcized as a baby, and I wish I had not been.

At the same time though, I want to point out to you that it is a scientific statistic that men who are uncircumcised have a higher chance at getting STDs including HIV, as the virus or bacteria become trapped in the foreskin.

That being said, if I had a son, he would not be circumcised until he was old enough to make the decision for himself.

"old enough to make the decision for himself".

Exactly my point. That and the fact that Jewish parents in Israel feel that they don’t have a choice.

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right

and I’ve actually heard a Jewish man say, “I just wouldn’t feel truly Jewish if I weren’t circumcised.”

Is that so? Well, you know, I’M not circumcised and I guarantee you, it doesn’t affect my Jewish identity at all! :)

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My thoughts

I struggled with this decision, mainly because talking with my husband about it was difficult to say the least. For one he got very uncomfortable and squeamish (score one point for not doing it in my books!). But I had pretty much decided I was NOT going to do it and I don’t know how he could have convinced me circumcision was the best choice. I did my research, asked the questions. I knew for one thing the argument of being different carried no weight for me. I was a little uncertain in regards to the health benefits but in the end decided that proper hygiene practises were the best weapon to prevent that, although not a guarantee. At first when the pediatrician told me about the increased risk of being infected with an STD or HIV I felt very conflicted. But after a short time of thinking this one over decided this too was not enough to disuade me, since being circumsized is not PROTECTION from the virus or STD’s that one comes down to open and frank discussion between myself and my children and educating them about the risks and protection. In the end it was an easy decision for me.

Thanks for your thoughts.

First, I’d like to say, that the issue I’m concerned about is that people I know don’t feel they have a choice. They automatically think that different equals bad and that there’s bound to be an issue, the boy will necessarily suffer. If there was more vareity, people here would have been at all able to consider the points you raise.
As to these points. In my opinion, the statement “cirumsized men don’t catch HIV as easily, therefore let’s circumsize”, is equivalent to “women without breast don’t get as much breast cancer, let’s operate on all women”. Circumsision is basically taking a part of a baby’s body off, and I can’t imagine an argument of that sort that would convince me.
I don’t remember what the numbers are, since – as I explained – they had little importance to me; but I believe that practicing safe sex is a far better protection against HIV that circumsision.

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I agree completely

I wasn’t sure if I was clear that I agreed with you on this subject and that I decide NOT to circumsize my son.

Certainly!

If I came across as argumentative, it’s only because that subject is emotional for me.

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I know just what you mean

On those subjects I am most passionate about I speak from an emotional level. Thanks for clarifying this for me, sometimes I talk in circles so just wanted to be sure I made my own position known as I feel rather strongly about my choice as well.


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