Help My 43T Friends acheive their Goals (read all 32 entries…)
Practical Help 21 months ago

This is my favourite goal [at least of my goals]. And I think we can all help each other on 43T with support, encouragement and prayers. But since staring this goal I’ve wanted the help to be more than “virtual”.
Several factors have affected my thinking, seeing 43T friends in need – maybe needing medical tests, that they could get so much quicker if privately funded. Or needing essential pieces of medical equipment, which maybe they can’t afford. Also, I see young talented 43T friends with great business ideas, but struggling to fund those ideas. And so many other needs, big and small – what can we, as a community do to help.
Well last night I read Mollie’s post about donating 10% of her salary to charity :) So wonderful, so generous – it started my brain ticking.
This is a very large site – imagine we could donate $1 per week or month, to a fund to help 43Thinger’s in need. If lot’s of members contributed such a tiny amount – it would supply a lot of funds for helping.
Now this is a brand new idea to me, and I know it’s very much just the bare bones – so I’m asking everyone to help with advice and suggestions – could we make this work? would people be willing to regularily donate very small amounts of money? how would we actually achieve this, what are the praticalities?
What safeguards would we need in place?

Would 43T let us do this? Could a front page with the request for donations be arranged? Could important announcemens be “sticky” ie not get lost among the other posts? To stop the funds being abused, should it only be available to 43t who already have active accounts, for say six months? Should the donations be put in escrow? would escrow accumulate interest?
Who would manage the fund? Should the first money be spent on funding a chat room, so participants can freely swap ideas and set this up?

What do you all feel about the idea? Would you be willing to donate a dollar a week/month, to help other 43T friends in need?
What would we call the project, 43Helpers? or 43 Grants? or what?
Would knowledgeable 43T people be willing to submit maybe one article of advice, from their own area of expertease to help others? Maybe advice on starting an online business, what software would be recommended etc? Maybe this arm of the project could be called 43Advisors?

You can see this is a very raw idea, but I think it has big possibilities. Obviously, I need a lot of help and ideas if this is ever going to take off. I’m excited by the idea of helping 43T friends – I hope you are too!

I’d happily donate $1 a week, knowing it could, for example, help Jessie buy equipment for Nick’s rehabilitation [Jessie I really hope you don’t mind me using you as an example here, but you were really the inspiration for the whole idea], or help God’s T-Shirt man get all the equipment and software to start his business. And there are 43T friends needing MRI scans etc – imagine being able to fund that for only $1 a week!!!

Please help make this a reality – please make as many suggestions as possible, and tell as many other as poss to do the same. We can be more than virtual friends, we can really do something to help:)

Look forward to your feedback
gemmword



Comments:

Gemmword-

this is fantastic. A truly truly truly genius idea. I know that a lot of people would definitely do this… but the thing is a lot of the younger 43 Thingers (me) would not be allowed… we’d have to find some kind of anonymous-adress system out. Because I would immediately donate a dollar. If possible, more.

Something that may seem small to us, will be big for some else.

But you have a great idea! You should check out the site Should Do This, a other site by the robots, it’s like you say:



should

does that make sense?

Oh Katie

you’re my first responder :) Thank You.
Wow I love it that you’re so excited about the idea – hope everyone else is too:)
I think it could be huge, but I’ll need lot’s of help and suggestions, seeing as I am a wally [thanks Chloe]:)
I was invited to take part in Should Do This, by the robots after the ice cream party – but the link they gave me never worked, and they never answered my queries.
What would contacting them do to help?

I hadn’t thought of the age issue, I’m sure there must be some finacial advisors or bankers, or something on the site who could help us with such issues.

Really hope it takes off :)
gemmword

Hehe. That made my laugh.

Wally, such a fun silly word. But no- it’s very un wally like… this is an amazing idea that everyone should know about… i’ll raise awareness.

Awareness Woo Hoo

Oh awareness is great – I love it – I’m dancing :)

:)

::goes to work on it ASAP::

Rondrea D. Mathis is living a dream... living the dream...dancing, whirling, twirling...

I have a dollar

and I am legal. My business sense sucks though so someone else would have to contribute that part… I will help out any way I can. Spread the word!!!!!

OH Thanks

Ms Mathis – isn’t it amazing when you think what a dollar could do:)
And yes, it’d be great if you spread the word :)
And it’s great to meet you.
gemmword

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Mollie Thank You

I’ve had the goal of helping 43T Friends for a while now [inspired by Jessie and Nick], but your posting last night, was what inspired the financial idea – just a tiny amount, for a lot of people, could do so much good. So I’ll happily give credit where it’s due. Thank You :)
I’ve heard vaugly about Kiva.org, and maybe I’m wrong – but I thought getting the loan depending on one kind individual, having the motivation and money to help someone out. What I’m thinking of is quite different, because all those tiny donations would add up, and hopefully there would be a steadliy growing fund to help those in need.
But I certainly see what you mean about the admin difficulties – still there are great minds here, I’m sure, if there’s the will, we’ll figure it out :)
I’m so glad you like the idea, and are putting that impressive mind of yours to it:) but don’t you think your already being generous enough!!! I wasn’t trying to plunder your 10% you know:)
Love gemmword

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Good ideas

I’m not sure how you would go about putting them into action though.

As things are now, I actually don’t think I’d be able to participate lol. I’m trying to save every penny I can. In the future though, I’d love to. Maybe by then I’ll have more time and energy to devote to helping get something like that set up.

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How Wonderful

sending parcels to soldiers – that’s so kind – wish I had a cheer for you – but CHEERS anyway.
I’m so glad you like the idea, and all support and suggestions are very welcome.
Hope we can get this up and running quickly, because there are people who need help now. Let’s all keep thinking.
gemmword

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Woo Hoo Milani

so glad you like the idea. Just got to get it up and running now.
All suggestions welcome :)
gemmword

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That is Cute:)

but we’d have to make it clear that people don’t have to donate that much each week/month :)

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Hi Qussa

Thanks for taking time to write – and yes it’s the idea of many little bits adding up to a whole lot of help, that appeals so much to me too:)
Please do continue the your verbal encouragements – those are, and will always be essential.
There’s still a whole lot of work and organisation needed, and it is exhausting – but ultimately I hope it’ll all be worthwhile, and many members will benefit:)
Please feel free to join when ever you feel able, everyone is welcome.
And thank you for your kind wishes:)
gemmword

It may be a bit bah-humbug...

...but this idea frightens me.

I don’t want to see an official 43T charity.

Part of the beauty of the 43T community is the spontaneous reaching out from one (or several members) to others in cases of need. Or someone feeling motivated enough to want to help someone else in the community.

This ‘organised’ charity has the potential to ruin some of that beauty.

I'm Stunned !!!

I really don’t understand how the suggestion of helping members in need could “frighten” anyone. However, we are all entitled to our own views and opinions :)
It was because the 43T community is so caring and warm hearted that I concieved the idea in the first place. But I see the lack of organisation as a danger, rather than a strength. A member in need may find the courage to ask for assistance [doubtful they would have the courage to ask for financail assistance no matter how despsrate their situation though, in the present circumstances], but their post for assistance may never be seen, by the very individuals who would have both the heart, and the financail ability to help – that member would then go unassisted.
I know that personally I have come across situations where I would desparately liked to help, but I’m not in a financial position to do so. What I could do however, is make small regular donations, along with similar minded members, to try and ensure that help is given when and where it is most needed. This concept in no way negates the community spirit of 43T, in fact I think it enhances that very spirit.

I think I’ve made it clear in my posts, that I actively encourage support, advice, encouragemnet and prayer – these are the very things that make 43T such a warm and special place, and they need to continue. Along with the donation/gift aspect of this goal, I also suggested an advisory aspect – so the goal is not only about money. It is about ensuring a member in need, gets ALL the help we can possibly offer – and at times that may well include financial assistance.
For example, a member may desparately require an MRI Scan, but have to wait months on the health sevice waiting list to get one. During that time, their conition could deteriorate beyound treatment. However, the scan could be arranged within days if funds were available. Sadly I, and many other members, are not in a position to personally fund such a scan – however, many of us are willing and able to regularily donate small regular amounts of money, and then scan could then be funded – what is so awful about that?
I know that several months down the line, with that member receiving the necessary treatment, I won’t be shouting “I want my dollar back” I’ll be saying “Thank God that member is still with us, and it was an honour to help”.
How can that “ruin some of the beauty ” of this site?

sabryn My ankle is telling me it's too late to start running now.

I think what he means

(and Dave, correct me if I’m wrong) is not that he has a problem with the idea of us helping each other – it’s the organization part. If a bunch of us decided spontaneously to help someone out financially, that’s one thing. That’s us arranging, in some way, to give someone in need whatever we can.

Organized charities, though, don’t run themselves. Someone would have to manage the money, which would eventually mean a salary for that person and money for software, hardware, etc. (even non-profits have to make some money to keep going). How would we come up with that – make 43t a pay site? That would exclude the very people we’re theoretically trying to help. (I’m not up for any major medical tests at the moment, but I couldn’t afford to pay to use the site.) Take money from the donation pool? We’d have to have a big enough pool to start with. I’m sure there are other complications I’m not savvy enough to be considering – these were just the obvious ones to me.

It’s not that the concept is a bad idea. I’m all for helping people in need – and 43t-ers are by far the nicest group of people I’ve ever encountered, as a whole. It’s the organized part I take issue with. It would change what 43t is all about, and I’m not sure it’d be a change for the better.

Each To Their Own

everyone has their own ideas about how to help others, and they are all valid.
I’d never try to circumvent anyone else’s choosen method of giving help.
I simply suggested this goal as an additional method of giving practical help.
Ultimately, City Hall will decide, for certainly something of this scope couldn’t be undertaken without their approval and support.
Thanks for your thoughts
gemmword

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

I’m hoping I’m being a realist – rather than a pessimist.

I just keep seeing all the checks/balances that are needed to make sure this idea isn’t abused. And the scale of it is bigger than I like.

Hi Dave

I’m glad you’ve stayed in touch – it would have been horrible if yesterday had been our last contact.
I acknowledge your realism in this – yesterday, it seemed much more like pessimism.
I see you’ve posted a longer comment under “great question”, so it seem sensible to have a longer discussion there.
btw is this comment addressing my post “each to thier own” in regards to City Halls approval? If it is, I wonder if you’ve seen the post by Mr. Peterson – it really innteresting.
talk soon gemmword.

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Thanks cherde

for your two comments above.
I’ve been asking for days for someone with experience in the field to make some suggestions – so your comments are very much appreciated.
I don’t know if you seen the response from City Hall that Mr Peterson posted last night – on the whole it’s very positive and encouraging – but we would need to be registered as a charity, as I suspected [just wasn’t getting any feed back at that point], so any suggestiions would be more than welcome:)
Do you happen to know if donations could be made through paypal to a charity?

I feel terrible that you felt the need to defend Dave, and I apologise unreservedly to you both if I caused offense with my entry “I’m Stunned”.
I have no doubt Dave has a great and generous heart, and never meant to suggest otherwise. I’ll apologise to Dave too, and I hope we can all stay friends and work together, honouring each method of giving help.
gemmword

very sweet idea

but this could bring major problems. Like fraud. How would the robots check the validity of every situation and would they even want the headache?

Great Question

and I’ve been pondering it myself.
I’ll be honest, I don’t have all the answers at the moment – that’s why I keep asking for ideas, suggestion and help.
I think it’s going to take time and effort to get this up and running. And I really hope some knowledable members, with appropriate experience will be willing to help. Other charitable foundations seem to circumvent the fruad problems, so maybe some research, even direct questions to them would be beneficial.
One aspect that concerned me, was non 43t people surfing the site, seeing “gifts” were available, and joining just to scam us. One possible way around that would be to only allow requests for help, from members who have had an active account on this site for maybe six months or so – but any other suggestin to prevent the problem would be greatly appreciated.
Getting this up and running is going to be a big job, and I certainly hope many other team members will help.
I think maybe I’ll make a seperate entry at some point today, addressing these issues.
Thank you for the question – we need to be thinking about issues like that, long before we can arrange to start taking donations. Very good point :)
gemmword

That's roughly along the lines I was thinking of.

I didn’t want to rain on your parade. It truly is a beautiful idea – and in no way am I trying to derail it.

I just don’t think 43T is the right vehicle for a charity.

A charity (properly run) is a complex and massive undertaking, that I don’t think you fully appreciate. (Although I think you are starting to)

In the case of MRI scans, what about individual just-in-time fund-raising? Say I need a MRI scan, but can’t afford it. Assuming I have a real need and that there is a valid reason for me not to wait in line with everyone else – some kind soul (or even myself) could set up a paypal donate link so I can raise funds to fly to Norway for a cheap scan (or maybe I can just shop around in the UK?).

That would be the least amount of administrative overhead for the maximum amount of benefit. There is still the avenue for giving advice etc through 43T… (you might have a cousin who has his own MRI scanner in his basement that he built from spare parts and I can use it at half the price)

And if you were after the regular $1/month savings… just do that personally. Wait until you see a cause you’d like to donate to, then donate however much you’ve saved up. Other people can do likewise.

I’m just sceptical about the benefits of setting up a full-blown charity in this case.

As one final example, imagine that I (like God’s T-shirt man) want to set up a business selling t-shirts and I just need funding for equipment and software. But my T-shirts have Atheist slogans on them. You probably wouldn’t be so keen on your money going to fund my business venture… Equally, a Muslim who has been doing his bit (alms-giving) wouldn’t want his charitable donation going to either of us!

What is the ethos/purpose/principle of this Charity? What sort of causes get donations? At least you are starting to consider the issues involved now…

I wouldn’t wait for City Hall’s involvement though. If you start it, and make it a reality – then support will come. Ideas are free. It’s the execution that matters.

Hi Again:)

Firstly, I apologise unreservedly if I offended you with my entry “I Stunned”- it was never meant as a personal attack on you, and I hope you didn’t take it as such, or at least now believe that to be so.
You’ve made many wonderful suggestion in your post above, for which I’m truely grateful, and I will address them – but I must say, I can’t help but see the irony that it’s someone who didn’t join the team who’s making so many suggestions:)

Many of the points you’ve raised, I had thought about, and acknowledged that I needed input on. Maybe I made a huge mistake floating the idea when it was still so raw – but I didn’t see any other way to get the ideas before people, and hopefully start getting constructive ideas, suggestions and solutions coming in. Had I had the knowledge and skills to put up a fully thoughtout and final plan, I would have done – but I’ve never pretended to know all the answers – this is not an area I’ve had previous experience in, but I thought other 43T members would have, and would offer concrete advice. That’s just starting to happen – and those were indeed a difficult few days for me.

If you’ve seen City Hall’s reponse, you’ll be aware that Charitable Status is required. I do appreciate what a massive under taking that would be, and seriously need to do some research, and of course would welcome some input. I think though, that on the whole, City Halls response was very positive, though many suggested it would be otherwise – so I certainly was pleased with the response.

I love your “just in time” suggestion, and could see that working, but [and this I think is where our opinions differ], I think that would require some organisation. I think one of the main problems at the moment, is getting posts for help, actually see by enough people, and by the right people. Maybe an answer to this problem [and many similar ones] is the lack of a Front Page on which serious issues could be posted for everyone who logs in to see.
I did make that suggestion to City Hall, but that point hasn’t been addressed. Hopefully soon it will be, and we can come up with a solution which pleases everyone [well maybe that’s a dream, let’s say most people].

I also love your suggestion on “advice”, that was another suggestion I made to City Hall – I envisaged something along the lines of 43Gifts and 43Advisors. If we could gather useful information [over a variety of subjects, and locations] and have them all under a seperate forum/area/archive [don’t really know what you would call it], but all the info in one place, and properly catagoriized [and announced permanently on the front page], then people would know where to go to get help advice for a given problem.

Your point about criteria for giving “gift’s” is very valid. What should qualify, what evidence would be equired etc – all the questions need answered. I posted a long entry yesterday “points to ponder” where I raised these same issues, made some suggestions, and asked for feed-back and input. Still waiting. I think maybe because I started this goal, many think I’ll have all the answers and ideas. I keep stressing that’s not the case.
Apart from anything else, I think there has to be overall agreement on such essential issues. I’m not prepared to be a tyrant on this – I just see myself as one of the team – we need lots of input and lots of ideas – then agreement before any of this can go forward. It’s certainly not up to me to decide who’ll get assistance and who won’t. I think a rotating board [or some such team] should make the decisions – hopefully that would prevent any kind of favourtism or discrimination.
And I think regular, detailed reports on how the money is being allocated is essentail. Taking donations from people is a very serious business, and honesty and accountability will be absolutely essential – otherwise the idea simply should not go ahead.

I hope to some degree I’ve answered some of your concerns. As I said earlier, I don’t have all the answers at the moment – don’t even have all the questions. But I did understand from the outset what an awesome undertaking it would be, and forsaw and tried to address issues as they occured to me.
I hope others start providing some input, and I certainly thamk you for your points.

Please be re-assured that I’m not trying to do something to harm 43T, and though you’ve never suggested it – I certainly am not trying to scam 43T.
In fact I’ve stated several times that I’ve no intention of being the Treasurer-I think that would be a serious conflict of interest. And I’d never make of with the funds into the sunset – I’ve never stolen anything in my life! Such undertones have been really, really hurtful.

It’ll be interesting to see where this goes now that City Hall have given their approval. I really appreciate your input, and hope you’ll contiue :)
best wishes gemmword

paisleypaige it is better to live my destiny imperfectly than to live falsely

HEll YEAH

Got no ideas yet, but definately thinking!

Hi paisleypaige:)

You’re very welcome:)
Hoping to get some new posts up over next few days – feel free to jump in with your thoughts and ideas:)
gemmword


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