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“The Tipping Game” at http://ethicalfinance.wordpress.com
How do you make decisions about tipping? Do you ever NOT tip?
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“The Tipping Game” at http://ethicalfinance.wordpress.com
How do you make decisions about tipping? Do you ever NOT tip?
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I loved that last story! I hate it when I’m just a bit tipsy and I can’t manage the arithmetic.
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4 months as a waitress when I was in high school, which has resulted in me being a good tipper. And I have no respect whatsoever for people who treat servers as lower life forms in any way. This issue is one of the sticky points I have with my mother-in-law.
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And I tip everyone. When in doubt, tip. I never don’t tip.
This comes, I’m sure, from being married to a chef.
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Sorry, but I find tipping a very American system which seems increasingly inappropriate in the UK. We have a minimum wage and it’s illegal to use tips as part of that; I don’t think waiting staff work any harder than every other minimum wage employee. Plus, it’s sort of their job, y’know? How many jobs are you allowed to expect extra just for doing what you’re there to do?! If the service is out of this world, fair enough, but 99% of the time it’s just… okay. The expectation of a tip anyway annoys the hell out of me.
Mainly this stems from the fact that eating out is an expensive luxury for me – paying an extra 15% on top of a meal that’s already costing waaaaay more than I’d have paid to make it myself just seems… grr.
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whatsoever, you should move there! It’s actively considered rude to tip, as if you assumed they wouldn’t be doing their job perfectly well without the incentive. I rather liked that and wish that more of the people I feel obliged to tip here in London took a similar level of pride in their jobs…
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I hate the guilt-trip to tip: if you don’t you’re a horrible meany, blah blah – that more than anything makes me want to not tip!
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is that it’s an international forum.
In the U.S., there are many lines of work in which the wage is actually allowed by law to be lower because the custom is to tip. (I cited the Department of Labor rules on the subject in the original blogpost.)
I think it is a bad law, and wages should be decent, period.
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but I did work in a shop for less than minimum wage, and could never have expected tipping. I agree I’d probably feel very different if I had been a waitress, but I really just can’t see why one ‘service’ job (like we all aren’t, to some extent!) should be so very different.
I do like to leave a tip IF I feel the service has been exceptional – but only IF – so that it is real gratitude and not just “because you’re supposed to”. Says a lot about the places I eat that it rarely is! And I have always felt the 10-15% thing to be ‘standard’ – if leaving a few pound coins on the table was it maybe I wouldn’t be so irritated by the whole thing. Although again, it’s that expectation.
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as much if not most of the time, the base wage for waitstaff is below minimum wage. Even just in coffee shops and such, I tip, as sort of a recognition that it’s really freaking hard to get by on what such positions are normally paid . . . also, having been a coffee shlepper myself, I know just how crucial those tips could be.
EDIT: having now looked at Adar’s blog, I see it’s all ‘splained beautifully.
in the news recently, when it turned out that staff at the Hard Rock Cafe in London were being paid less than the minimum wage, and expected to make the difference up in tips?
I tend to tip 10-15% which is the standard rate in the UK. In fact in most restaurants here, a service charge is included in the bill. This means that it’s difficult to get out of paying it and the service would have to be dreadful for me not to pay it.
What really winds me up is when you pay by credit card, and the credit card terminal is programmed to ask you for an extra tip when the service charge is already included!
In some places the service charge apparently doesn’t actually get given to waiting the staff themselves, which is awful.
Tipping on wine also annoys me – sometimes if I go out somewhere fancy and we have an expensive bottle, I can’t see why I should have to pay 15% on the value of the bottle when it’s the same amount of work to open it as it would be opening a cheaper one.
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for the kind words, La P! I like the sound of the French practice.
I encourage you to leave a comment on the blog regarding French tipping habits. I think it would add a great deal to the discussion.
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Do you find it annoying when the establishment adds a 17% gratuity to the check because there were six or more people at the table?
I do.
I guess if it’s your business you can do anything you want to, but …
when there are so many people at the table, the service is rarely good. So, call it a surcharge, not a gratuity.
As for regular tipping, it is for the personal service. When I get my hair cut, and the beautician thinks it’s done and I don’t, and she goes on to give me a fabulous cut, of course I tip her. Often double the cost of the original cut, because she ended up doing two cuts. But I’m going to a neighborhood salon not an extravagant big city spa. When the service is really good – when it’s obvious the server has paid attention to what was going on at the table the whole time, that deserves a tip. And a generous one. When all the server does is take the order and deliver the food after it’s sat long enough to develop a film, and the order isn’t as ordered, and there is never a return visit to the table until check time, well, what is that worth?
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about the fact that it is legal to pay wait-staff less than the minimum wage because they are assumed to receive tips? I forget the exact figures but they are in the original blogpost.
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There is a union that controls a lot of restaurants and embraces a lot of restaurant workers. I used to work in a union shop.
Our daughter works in a non-union restaurant, and she’s paid $11 an hour, plus her tips. First job.
There is no place I am aware of in California that pays less than minimum wage to wait staff – do you know any place that does?
I have heard of restaurants that don’t let staff keep the tips – something I don’t quite understand. I’ve also heard that tips left in cash are preferred for a variety of reasons. There’s a lot of room in world of cash for cheating, as it were.
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I will never, ever tip for bad service. Ever.
I know in the US that’s considered bad form, but I don’t care.
Don’t get me wrong I’ll tip even for “okay” service, and I’ll tip if the food is bad but the waiter/ess still does a good enough job, but bad service is kissing their tip good bye.
Normally though I tip a small amount on lunches, aim for 10% for a meal out if it was good but round up notes rather then work out exactly what it should be.
And in Sweden I hardly tipped anything, but everything was so expensive I couldn’t really afford too much of a tip!
I always, always tip somewhere between double the tax and 20%. It’s just part of the cost of the meal. I also try to leave the tip in cash since a friend of mine in college used to have her credit card tips reported to the IRS and not her cash ones. I leave a dollar tip at bars, even though I’m just getting free water or a glass of juice. There is one cafĂ© I visit where I leave money in the tip jar because they take the food out to us and clean up afterwards. They’ve also made an effort to learn our names, so I give Eric and his friends a buck or two in the tip jar.
I don’t like feeling like I have to tip, however. People should be paid a decent wage and I think it’s unethical that restaurant owners have figured out a way to get around that. Everyone else has figured out how to pay their employees properly! I don’t buy that the restaurant industry is different or more marginal.
When I was in Egypt, everyone, even the locals, tipped for anything that could be considered “service”. It was really annoying. People would ask for a tip when they opened the gate to a site when we’d already paid a fee for the site. We had a steward on one train who wrested my little carry-on out of my hand and then asked for baksheesh. When I gave him five pounds [a lot locally—about a dollar], he came back a minute later and asked me for five euro. The other steward [who had been really good and had taken my friend’s much heavier bag] accepted the same amount graciously and we tipped him more generously at the end.
I’ve worked as a waitress, cocktail waitress, bartender, kitchen staff, caterer, maid, etc.
As a restaurant waitress (in the US), I was paid about half the minimum wage because the government assumed I’d make the difference in tips. In fact, the government assumed I’d get at least 8% of our total sales (we’re talking 1990s) and that’s what they would tax us for. What this meant was if a table didn’t leave a tip, it would actually cost ME money to have served them their meal.
When you go into a restaurant, the service included in the price of the meal is someone taking your order, and then bringing your order to you. If they are pleasant, check on you to see if you want anything else, bring your refills, etc. THAT is where the tip comes in. Higher end restaurants cost more not just because of the gourmet food, but also because of the better quality of service. If I want to dine out, I tally cost + tip in my head and if I can’t afford to pay both then I don’t go there to eat. If all I wanted was to treat myself to a meal I didn’t prepare myself and not have to pay a tip, I’d be better off going to some place like McDs.
Many restaurants force their waitstaff to pool all tips together and then divide equally amongst the entire staff, including the folks in the kitchen. This would piss me off to no end, as invariably I always made more money on my own. Of course I did, I worked way harder than many of those slack-asses! I chose how much to give my busboy, the bartender, and the prep-cook to ensure their continued assistance with turning my tables and even after that I still took home more money than I would by ‘sharing’.
I know just how hard it is to waitress, so I can be quite a forgiving customer, but this also means that I have a higher level of expectation. Sometimes I’ll tip well just to compensate for the schmuck at the next table but I have left without tipping when the service & attitude were atrociously poor.
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Gertie, you’ve written a very powerful message with some excellent points in it. Would you consider reposting it, or a version of it, as a comment on the blog entry on tipping?
If you choose to, you can use this link
(And anyone else who has said something about this, please consider posting it there. I’m using the blog as a place to workshop ideas for my book, and frankly, y’all have made some GREAT points here, on many aspects of the matter. And bounteous thanks to La Parisienne and cogentdiversion, who have already done that!
I lived in Japan for many years, where tipping is considered rude (as noted above). But when Japanese travel abroad, they need to quickly master the art of tipping, so I used to advise them to look at the local tax on the bill. In most American states (and many other countries where tipping is normal), the sales tax is around 7-8%. Just double it, and you’ve got the tip.
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I tend to leave a base 15% even if the service is poor. I will usually note the poor service to the manager on the way out or on a comment card if the restaurant has them. For great service I’ve been known to tip 100% or more.
I recently was at a restaurant and there was a mistake made and the waiter volunteered to take something off the bill. When I paid, I based the tip on the original bill with the removed item which made the tip larger for that waiter, and in fact made the total about what it would’ve been originally without a tip. The waiter earned that tip because of his good customer service. (This was in San Diego.)
I was at a restaurant in a casino in Atlantic City a couple weeks ago, and had a really bad waiter. He had poor service skills, copped an attitude when we asked to have the bill split up, and really just wasn’t helpful. He got $2 from me on an $8 bill, but that’s only because I knew the majority of other people were not going to be tipping him at all. (Plus it was easy to hand him a $10 and get the heck out of there instead of waiting for change.)
At bars, I always tip $1 per drink to the bartender.
Depending on where I get my hair cut, I’ll tip $2-3 dollars.
I tip doormen and shuttle drivers $1, and if someone carries my luggage for me it’s $1 per bag.
At the holidays, I usually give the girls at the deli $5-$10 each, as well as the check out girls at the grocery store, and the bag boys. Postal carriers are not permitted to receive gifts, or I would tip them too. I give my landlady a $20-25 fruit basket.
I think that’s about all I tip, at least that I can remember.
I have a friend from Canada who when he comes to the states, he never leaves a tip. So I always have to slip the tip on the table without him noticing because he’s adamant about not tipping.