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air new zealand is doing their safety video - naked with uniforms painted on ..... breifcases and armrests are strategically located 4 months ago

as many of you know, I am a flight attendant and I have a my own opinion what effect this will have, but I would like to hear how you feel before I commentair new zealand safety video



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I think it's great!

:-)

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I responded below

Really?

You’d be the last person I’d expect to be into this.

(This reminds me: a source of never-ending disagreement between Cookie and I is whether sarcasm works best with or without tone. He, being English, feels it works best with tone. I, on the other hand, like the sarcasm that comes out flat and serious [as is favoured by my Esphahani family]. I think toneless sarcasm comes with the extra kick of making people wonder, for a moment, whether or not you’re really being literal. How do you like your sarcasm?)

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I guess that depend

on how well you know the person and whether or not they are going to understand the point

and if you understand what they where trying to say in the first place

To be honest with you.....

I don’t know how to answer that, as I’ve never really given that much thought.

And I didn’t even think of the sarcasm until you mentioned it, and I thought of “the nothing to hide” comment.

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I prefer my sarcasm

nice and ‘dry’ thanks, without the give away tone :-)

Not that I wish to take sides in a domestic issue, you understand?! But as you said, dry, flat-toned sarcasm gives the extra amusing ‘moment of hesitation’ while the recipient judges your sincerity!
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In my experience

without the tone, some people completely miss the sarcasm.

And I really hate to waste it!

but

As I keep telling you, context should make it obvious that you’re being sarcastic. Should.

Thank you all for your input.

I’m firmly entrenched in the dry sarcasm camp, but admit that my best sarcasm is sometimes lost on especially literal people. Still, even that can be amusing, on some level, and therefore worth the lack of tone.

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It's good...

But I think it would have been better if they had simply gone naked, rather than use the paint. After all, you don’t see anything whatsoever so it doesn’t make much sense. Instead, I would have had them wear their hats (like the pilot) and scarves (like the stewardesses), but nothing else.
Still, it was a good video with perfect music and just the right pace.

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Well, they were definitely trying to attract attention.....

and being naked without the paint would have drawn more attention, and I would have preferred that. And as you said, no one would have seen the “special parts” anyway, because they were strategically covered.

They possibly could have gotten past the censors by using body paint and not strategically covering anything, because magazine covers such as Vanity Fair and Sports Illustrated have done so without any reprecussions (sp.?)

Heck, I even used a photo of a woman having a bikini top painting on her as an avatar for “National Cleavage Day”, and no one freaked. And I’ll let you in on a little secret. Farrah is not wearing a white top.

I liked it.

Some parts, I really had to look to tell. Great way to keep people’s attention!

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I was so busy loving the NZ accents

I didn’t notice anything else….

except that they all seemed awfully cheerful for people discussing the hypothetical steps to take during a plane crash, but it was a lot less painful than any American safety-precautions spiel I’ve suffered through…could have done without such a good view of that one guy’s man nipples though, honestly….

cute! ;D Four stars.

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I responded below

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so here is my take

I think there is a time and a place for everything, and this is not the time and place for nudity.
a safety demonstration needs to be watched by all and there are some people/cultures that wouldn’t watch this because of there own personal moral, religious and cultural believes.
whether you disagree with them or not is not up for debate. It is a fact.
I work in the industry … on the planes… I know the importance of getting the information across to all people.
I was almost kill in a plane crash and and lost three close friend in that crash, and two others to another one.
While I agree that most safety demonstrations are dry and need to do something to get peoples attention, it needs to be something that everyone will watch.

I cheered this at first only because of....

your comment about “all people seeing it.”But after giving it more thought maybe you should define who “all people” are in this context, and how “all people” would view it anyway.

I don’t think it’s mentioned anywhere who the intended audience is. And you can correct me if I’m wrong on that, but do you think maybe this was just meant more as an eye-catching satire?

edit: okay, I see it’s put out by Air New Zealand. But, not to negate the importance of safety, but I don’t think you can guarantee everyone watching a safety demonstration the regular way either, and I don’t think anyone’s ever been kicked off a plane, for talking during the demonstration, or doing a crossword, or reading a book, or sleeping, or what have you. I would venture to guess that more people would watch this than a regular demonstration. I would also venture to guess that New Zealanders are far less uptight about these things than some Americans are.

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I'm not talking about just/mainly Americans

What about Muslims or other in the Middle East
It’s not just Christians that have values against nudity in public

A few points....

As has been pointed out, since the “special areas” are strategically covered you aren’t really seeing anything more than would be revealed in say a bathing suit or some lingerie. So just how far do we want to go in “not offending people”? I’m not saying anything should go, but at some point things can get a little crazy with “avoiding offending others.”

For some cultures a woman exposing anything other than her face is considered obscene, so in an attempt to “not offend them”, should airlines stop making magazines available to their patrons?

As for “nudity in public”, body paint conceals that at least to some degree.

And without getting into a debate over what constitutes a “true” Christian, I’m pretty sure many “christians” don’t have a problem with it.

And anyone believing in a creator can’t deny that we were all born nude. I don’t subscribe to the idea that a God, or a higher power, etc. that created all things wonderful and majestic, would turn around and say, “oh but please keep my wonderful creation covered”, “We can’t have anyone offend by my wonderful creation” Let’s just say, I don’t think God would be that hypocritical.

But, the world, whether a person believes it was divinely created or not, is not a perfect world. If you, or I, or anyone else had “the right to not be offended.” that alone would still not make it a perfect world. Should I be the self-appointed czar of what’s offensive? Should you be? Or should we get someone else to do the job? One person’s chocolate is another person’s turd and vice versa.

And as it has also been pointed out, the audience would mainly be native New Zealanders, who apparently are liberal enough to handle it.

edit: After giving it more thought, I think “Native New Zealanders”, should probably be replaced with New Zealand citizens and locals.

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do you ever think of anything in any turms that don’t involve nudity?

I was trying to make a point

hmm, I thought it was kind of brilliant

I can see your point about how maybe some people wouldn’t watch. On the whole, though, I think you’d have a lot more sets of eyeballs on this than on the typical safety video or presentation. I honestly never pay attention to them, but I would pay attention to this.

I am very sorry about your friends…and very glad you survived a plane crash! Intellectually I know people do survive them sometimes, but it always seems to me that if the plane crashes I’m gonna die…that’s one reason I don’t pay attention.

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I understand your point

but I think there are other ways of getting people to watch the video without nudity

let me just make one example. In many Middle Eastern country’s they are are so modest that they cover everything ... would they watch this video?
NO… If the idea is to get across important info. then this is not the way

and there are more minor situations where it’s not a “crash” but still and emergency and this info will still save your life… at 30,000 ft (and you need air) so it’s still important to listen to

... and thanks

I think Air New Zealand

is reasonably aware of the possibility of offending people. The video is for New Zealand domestic routes only, not the international market. While Air New Zealand doesn’t fly to the Middle East, it does fly to some socially conservative Pacific nations, where the video could possibly cause offence.

Although I haven’t seen the video (my internet is dial-up so Youtube is awful), Air New Zealand has been running advertising with a similar theme in newspapers and on billboards, which exposes far less than you could see on a beach. I don’t find the ads objectionable at all.

The background is that recently we had a new airline enter the New Zealand market, offering fares that looked very cheap, but they charge extra for baggage, particularly if the passenger doesn’t book the baggage at the same time as the flight ($20 extra in that case). Air New Zealand came up with the “nothing to hide” idea as a way of pointing out that their fares covered everything, there are no hidden charges. It seems to have been effective at helping them hold their own in a tough market.

Isn’t it more about the terrible reputation the new airline has aquired in such a short space of time?!

Yes, and as per your beach example....

isn’t it fairly common for women in New Zealand to go topless on beaches? I would think if they could handle that, a video like this would be no biggie at all.

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this actually makes much more sense

if it is only for the domestic routes, and not for the international market the video is really done very well and is quite upbeat
Unless you knew (and until the last frame) you really can’t tell the clothes are painted on

True enough, but.....

As a flight attendant, when do you ever “cover everything” to avoid offending them?

oh yes

It would definitely not be appropriate for all flights/all countries! I was thinking more for U.S., Europe…and New Zealand obviously.

Luckily they do not leave such important decisions up to uninformed people like me :)

Uninformed

or un-uniformed people like you? ;)

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This is about as sexy as a damp cheese sandwich.

I think the pace and the tone of the video have more to do with if people watch it or not. I doubt if I would notice the nudity if I were to ‘see’ this video on the little screen on the plane.

Having said that, I don’t think I would like this very much if I were a flight attendant for the kiwi airline. I mean, it does present the staff in a certain way (fun-loving but also no-problem-with-nudity) that may not reflect them well.

However, I can understand why the airline made it. The market for airlines is tough now and ‘nothing to hide’ is a good tagline. Plus: if you’re going to use nudity in any way, this is probably the most tasteful way. I mean, the association with ‘showing skin’ for most people is the pinkness/brownness of it and that’s what fires off the hubba hubba mode. Covering it with painted on uniforms… well, I said it in the title. Doesn’t turn me on.

As has been already mentioned, the safety video is only being shown on domestic routes. I understand the point about cultural sensitivity but a far greater concern than offense by the Middle Eastern/Muslim communities (comparatively small in our country) would be offense by the Pacific Island communities. The airline would’ve done some rigorous market testing before coming out with this though.

To be honest I think New Zealand/New Zealanders might be very relaxed about this type of thing. There was a very popular ad on TV for many years that used a word that some of you would probably find offensive. We thought it was funny.

Also as has always been the case, the safety brochure is still available so you can always read your information instead of watching.

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Seriously..

I didn’t think much of it..
Something an airline would use? I thought it was a joke..not a real demonstration, until it kept going and the ‘punchline’ was never delivered.
If they only use it on their domestic flights, I guess it’s up to them.
If I owned an airline, we wouldn’t be using it. Not for fear of offending people, just out of common sense. It doesn’t seem professional or ask to be taken very seriously.
As tangerine_now stated, I wouldn’t want to be one of their flight attendants..
One the other hand, if I had not been told they were body painted, I seriously wonder how close I’d be watching to look for any ‘exposures’. Their accents and expressions were far more attention grabbing to me.

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I thought it was a joke at first too.

:-)

There are a lot of airlines

I wouldn’t want to work for, given the way their advertising depicts their staff. Sex is so often used to sell in that industry. One of Air New Zealand’s rivals has ads which also feature staff, only young, blonde female staff though.

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Too true

in so many ads.
For so many things.
Sex sells.
It would take consumers responding negatively to put and end to it…think that’s going to happen?

Nah, people will always be interested in sex.....

It kind of reminds me a little of this:

People Are Still Having Sex

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Distraction

One thing I pick up is that due to their slight embarrasment, their presentation is slightly distracted and they’re rushing their lines – thereby actually making the safety instructions less clear.

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I didn't understand the point.

I mean, less real skin was shown than in a bathing suit.

If someone is going to be so focused on the video because they think they will see a nipple or something, that’s all they’re going to be thinking about (“Is that it? What’s that? Oooh, I think it’s going to pop out now!”) They will not be listening to the presentation. And anyone who actually wants to follow the instructions is going to be focused on that, so why bother with the nudity? I mean, OK, kinda cute and I could see what they were trying to do, but it was unsuccessful in my opinion.

And, ewwwww, who wants to sit on dirty airplane seats with a naked cootchie?!!?


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