wren "I will not be reconstructed..."

Forgiveness (43T) (read all 2 entries…)
Insight...

I’ve been reading a helpful and thought-provoking book on the topic of forgiveness. The author’s theory is that there are three types of forgiveness – refusal to forgive, acceptance (when an offender doesn’t seek forgiveness), and true forgiveness. True forgiveness can only occur when the offender makes a genuine effort to earn it.

Of course, the book is much more complicated than what I’ve just described. The author also talks about self-forgiveness, which is something that I tend to dismiss easily.

I’ve been thinking about a situation at work that’s been causing me a lot of pain. Basically, a colleague has a super friendly, polite exterior face, and I took this to mean that he was a trustworthy person. I shared some information with him (nothing confidential or anything like that), thinking that he could be trusted to have the best interests of our center at heart. His subsequent actions left me feeling betrayed.

What I’ve realized is that I haven’t forgiven myself for trusting an untrustworthy person. Because of that, I’ve felt the need to be walled off and guarded with everyone, which is not comfortable or happy. I can see now that I must forgive myself and believe that I can avoid repeating this mistake without becoming hard and completely untrusting.

I think this will be a process. The book spends many pages telling offenders the steps they should take to earn forgiveness, steps such as listening to the person’s pain & offering an apology. I think that going through these steps with myself will be very helpful in this situation.



Comments:

mrsrad is in transition and on her way to transformation

In my opinion

trusting an untrustworthy person when you believe them to be trustworthy is not an offense-you thought them to be worthy of your trust based upon interactions that led you to that conclusion. It sounds like your confidence is shaken in your ability to read the true essense of people and of course you felt betrayed. They were the culprit, not you. I can understand feeling betrayed, but do not take it on yourself. Be gentle with yourself dear wren, you, nor I, nor any of us, are all seeing, all knowing and able to read the intentions of all. You were leading with you heart - the bery best way to live. You did nothing wrong.

wren "I will not be reconstructed..."

Thank you, Mrs. Rad

I appreciate your support. I will try to be gentle with myself. :)

Sounds like

a good book, what is it called?
I think you’re right about forgiving yourself for trusting the untrustworthy person, so you can move on. Which doesn’t mean you did anything wrong of course, you obviously did not, the other person is the untrustworthy and hurtful one. But completely forgiving them would probably, as you said, mean them actually approaching you and seeking forgiveness. Which you can’t make them do, it’s up to them. And it’s easy to be hard on ourselves once we start thinking things like “why did I do that? Why did I trust that person?”. So working on self-forgiveness sounds to me like a good way to let go of it, be nice to yourself and stop letting it hold you back in other relationships. After all, we’ll all run into stupid, mean and untrustworthy people every now and then. It’s not our fault. I think you trusting them shows you’re a nice person who think good things about others!

I’ve thought about some similar things recently, I think self-forgiveness in these situations is just as important as trying to forgive others. Or maybe more important really. I tend to be really hard on myself for not making a stand more, keeping up my boundaries better or telling people when they’re crossing the line.

wren "I will not be reconstructed..."

Yes, I am

really hard on myself, too. I really dislike feeling all walled off and mean, but that seems to happen when I feel that I’ve been taken advantage of. Maybe this new realization will help.

Here’s a link to the book that I’m reading. It by far the most helpful book about forgiveness that I’ve ever read.

francie2011 off working on a goal. Hope to be back soon. ♥

Thank you for sharing the link...

I need to read that too.

wren "I will not be reconstructed..."

You're welcome!

It really is a wonderful book. :)

Oooo, I like this idea

I could take the half dozen or so of [past] co-workers who spent their days doing exactly squat and complaining about it, the micro-managing boss, the do-nothing boss, the co-worker who assumed a boss-like demeanor, the over the line sexually harassing boss and the incompetent assistant who shared way too much personal information and put them all on an island (think LOST) and watch how they interact. OOooo! Would anything get done? Would they survive? Now there’s a reality show I could watch! Plus, just think how much the rest of us could get done without ‘em!

Colleen_C_C ... taking it One Day at a Time ...

So often

when I read your entries, wren, I recognize that they are describing something which I’ve been feeling, but hadn’t yet managed to put into words.

Thank you for your authenticity & openness; I appreciate your sharing your journey with me!

All best!
=CCC=

wren "I will not be reconstructed..."

thank you, Colleen,

I’m really glad to hear that. I’m glad we are 43T friends! :)

I suspect

forgiving yourself is the hardest forgiveness.

wren "I will not be reconstructed..."

I think you're probably right!

Right now I’m just noticing how insidious the process of self-blame can be.

Fascinating topic

I’ve been thinking about this lately too. It’s important not to lose sight of the fact that everyone makes mistakes. I know I really hate it when I make a mistake and I can have a disproportionate reaction – it eats me up inside – whereas if someone else made the same mistake, a lot of the time I’d probably think it was no big deal, or it could be fixed. So sometimes it helps to ask myself if someone else had made this mistake, would I blame them as much as I blame myself? Why should I be kinder to other people than I am to myself? Am I holding myself accountable to a rather grandiose standard of perfection?

If this had been a really culpable mistake to make, something everyone knows is wrong (like e.g. driving when drunk and causing an accident or something like that) then it would be understandable if you were beating yourself up about it. But trusting a friendly-seeming colleague is something that could have happened to anyone. How much to trust people is a matter of judgement and different people will have different opinions about it.

It’s not that obvious that you made a mistake here, as it was the other guy who behaved like an arse and abused your trust. He is far more to blame than you. Hopefully the results weren’t catastrophic and maybe you could view it a useful lesson that you need to be slightly less trusting with people until you know them better. But for god’s sake don’t go back down to zero on the trust-o-meter, because as you say, being hard, closed up and guarded isn’t a nice place to be. I really hope the book helps!

I think I could probably use the chapter on acceptance to help me come to terms with my bloody annoying colleague! ;)

wren "I will not be reconstructed..."

thanks for your comments, SL!

It is definitely helpful to hear how someone else sees this, since, like you, I tend to be much harder on myself than I would be on others.

Trust is such a huge issue for me, and it does seem to shake me up when I find that I’ve misjudged someone. I really like the idea of a trust-o-meter! That is a good visual to remind me that trust doesn’t have to be an all-or-nothing thing.

If only we could put all of the annoying colleagues together in one place…a place that is far, far away!

lovingmex43 taking care of me in 2012

Trust is an enormous

issue for so many and I include myself in that as well.

I misjudge as well. I sometimes think I am so desperate to find somebody that really truly can trust that I trust easily and with the wrong people. Only to have given it away too easily and end up hurt afterward. I then just beat myself up for having been so naive and stupid.

TRUST! – tough one! Does this book deal with this topic as well?

wren "I will not be reconstructed..."

It is a huge issue.

This book I mentioned doesn’t really discuss trust. I think that subject needs several books!

The general thing that I’ve learned is to offer trust in small steps…trust a little, and if that goes well, trust a little more.

lovingmex43 taking care of me in 2012

I think you got it right there

that has been difficult for me. It is like eating ice cream. Once I open the container, I have to eat the whole damn container.

Pajodama is BACK!

Good topic.

“The book spends many pages telling offenders the steps they should take to earn forgiveness, steps such as listening to the person’s pain & offering an apology.” Do you think this guy will follow this step? There are some people who never ever ask for an apology.

wren "I will not be reconstructed..."

Some people will work for forgiveness,

and some won’t. Anyway, that’s been my experience. The book tells you what you can do if the person who hurt you never asks for forgiveness. Basically, it says you don’t have to forgive anyone who doesn’t work to earn your forgiveness, but you my choose to work toward acceptance for your own peace of mind.

itsasecret is celebrating being Mark

I'm learning to forgive myself

I’m like why did i act so naive. Then i think can i trust a new person. Should i wait to open up to them ? Do they trust me.

I opened up to Jimmy. Not that i think he's going to tell anyone but there is the smallest chance. When Jeff 1st started telling me this or that I was kind of surprised . I thought we hadn't been hanging out that long and didn't really know each other that well/ I recently told him something big and I would say I'm almost certain he won't tell anyone. Of course there's a little part of me that wonders if he would if we stopped hanging out. I don't think he would. He doesn't seem at all that type of person but i guess i have trusted people sooner than i should have in the past and it just makes you feel like you should have known better.

I’m have almost totally forgiven myself but I’m still not there. I guess i need to accept that i need to think what i need and what i want rather than what someone else thinks i want or need.

The more time away from negative, untrustworthy , selfish annoying people the easier it gets.

wren "I will not be reconstructed..."

I'm glad you 're making progess with this.

I agree. The more you stick with supportive, positive, loving people, the more progress you will make.

rawrrrrrrrr!!!!!!

itsasecret is celebrating being Mark

It's hard

Jeff wants me to open more than i really wanna. He is a good friend… he can be kind of overbearing and well i know he cares about me it seems too much sometimes.

Rawwwwrrrrr

New Isabella "In gladness and in safety, May all beings be at ease." - Sutta Nipata

Interesting...

My little spiritual formation group is working its way through a workbook called “The Way of Forgiveness.”

I really didn’t want to do this one, but maybe that means I probably need to do it. I think the two people I need most to work on forgiving are my ex-husband and myself.

Hope this works out for you, wren!

wren "I will not be reconstructed..."

thank you!

I’ve read a lot of books about forgiveness that have left me latest book that I’ve been reading is that it doesn’t push forgiveness. It starts out telling you that choosing not to forgive is a perfectly valid choice. It talks about different types of forgiveness, including “false forgiveness,” and gives reasons to forgive and reasons to not forgive.

Living In God's Exquisite, Miraculous Sufficiency God bless your 2012! This is my year of JUBILEE!!!

Forgiveness vs Reconciliation

I see forgiveness and reconciliation as 2 different things. For forgiveness (I know I’m way late on this topic by 2 months), I see this as one sided. Though I have not read the book you are talking about, I would disagree there is not true forgiveness unless the offender apologizes or to that ilk.

What if the offender is dead? Is there no true forgiveness then? I see forgiveness as one-sided and irrespective of whether the offender acknowledges the wrong done or not, or can.

Forgiveness releases the deep roots of bitterness that form when you don’t release the offense. Releasing the offense does not absolve what was wronged, nor does it say it was ever okay, but it’s saying you let it go and you will no longer let it negatively eat at you.

The deeper the offense and connection, the intensity of the offense will often mean that forgiveness will be a process and could be a very long process, as the offense can bring up many aspects that need to be forgiven.

A great example for me is with regards to my ex-husband. I’ve had to repeatedly forgive and release over and over. It’s still not easy, but it has become A LOT easier as I’ve practiced this step what seems like tens of thousands of times over the past 5 yrs. It’s not allowing ANY plants of bitterness to really take root and grow into this ugly monster plant.

My ex doesn’t acknowledge any of what I’ve done, but that is his issue, not mine.

Reconciliation is different. That is when it’s between at least 2 people – the offender and the one offended. It is basically making amends through apology and maybe some other actions.

I liken forgiveness as tending to one’s garden. The seeds of weeds can come planted into your garden. As you attend to those weeds of unforgiveness and pull them out as you see them appear, it is easier. However, if you water it, let it take root and grow into a big, nasty plant, it will be much harder to uproot.

The more you tend to your garden and keep it free from weeds, the things you are intentionally planting will have greater ability to grow, thrive and be productive.

No, you don’t have to forgive anyone, but who does it really harm? Just like, you could let those weeds grow and take over your garden and choke out the life of all those good things. Who does that really help?

Sometimes forgiveness is easy, and other times it’s really hard and takes years. If it were so easy, then everyone would easily do it. To forgive, is a choice.

Today and every day I choose to forgive those who have offended or harmed me. It hasn’t been easy, and some may never face judgment in this life, but I know, in the end, they will.

Choose to forgive.

As for reconciliation. It’s not always possible to reconcile with every person. Some people are so abusive, dysfunctional, narcissistic, they can’t be reconciled with until they become a mentally & emotionally healthier person. We can’t control or change others. Only they can allow themselves to change and take those steps necessary to do so.

Sorry for the long rant. I feel that though I have not written a published book, that I am an expert on the topic of forgiveness, as I’ve practiced it daily for more than 5 yrs now, beginning with an assault that occured now nearly 7 yrs ago.

wren "I will not be reconstructed..."

I think you and the author of the book

are saying the same thing, just using different terminology. What you call forgiveness, she would call acceptance, and what you call reconciliation, she would call forgiveness.

hi wren

I’ve done this, as most of us have… trusting someone who we shouldn’t have. (My particular mess all started at the end of 2010.) But something important I’ve learned is that: “Okay. It’s out… I am what I am including being vulnerable. I will survive this, learn, change around my thinking and what I see in people… but most of all, I’ll be just fine.” It takes a strong and gentle Human person to be vulnerable. Cheers to you for your trustworthy nature and human-ness.


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