Bob

be poor so that others don't have to
sacrifice

I’ve been inspired by a book called “Include Me Out” by Colin Morris, which is about providing simple solutions to complex problems by self sacrifice, and how being a follower of Jesus shouldn’t be about knowing “the truth” but it should be about living it.



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I think that is an amazing concept. Big cheer for you. I hope you find a way to live it.

Bob

me too

thanks, at the moment I don’t quite understand it myself, but one thing which I want to do is make sure that I don’t save money just for the sake of it, if I have extra money and don’t really have any reason for it then I will just give it to someone else.

Bob, have you heard about Bookcrossing ? This may pleased you…

(note to self : stop Bookcrossing propaganda, and stop now)

bookcrossing.com

Bob

that is a very interesting idea

I really like the sound of that, although this particular book was from a library, so I don’t think I should be releasing it into the wild! I think I should definitely be able to do it with some other books though. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Bob

you're right

yes, it seems that most people are concerned with self gratification rather than self sacrifice (myself included unfortunately). Which makes it very hard to be different, with so many influences telling you to satisfy your own desires first. Hopefully we can break out of that though and actually contribute selflessly without the need for reward. I hope that God gives you the strength you need to do what you want to do.

What's ur religion?

U probably didn’t realize that the thought concides with that of buddhism, similar to “if I don’t go to hell who goes?” Anyway, I’m puzzled how ur sacrifaction can guarantee other’s benefits? There is no win-win situation? I do admire altruism but sometimes doubt whether it can work out.

Bob

yeah, it depends on the sacrifice

I don’t really get that hell thing works, but with finance if I don’t use my money then someone else can… so if I earn a normal amount of money, but be poor, the I have plenty left over for other people to use.

I follow Jesus as described in the Bible, I would normally say Christian, but sometimes that gives the wrong impression.

two things

1 your entire list in general…very cool. sort of a breath of fresh air if that isn’t too cheesy

2 I have a similar goal to this on my own list, and smiled when I read yours—I think I’m actually going to pick up that book and give it a read =)

I was wondering if you had put this to action at all yet and how that looked…and sometimes saying that we’re Christians does give off a wrong impression…but the solution isn’t to stop saying we’re Christians (what kind of an injustice is that to Christ!) but rather to show people what Christianity really IS…to the best of our abilities. Anddd I probably won’t think to re-check this for a comment…so just drop me a note if you ever want to respond!

Bob

thanks for the encouragement

At the moment I am just living as cost effectively as I can, and then as a result I have spare money. Then I look for ways to use it on people who need it.

For example, this Christmas I’ve enjoyed buying things from the TEAR gift catalogue.

Let me know if you think of other ways of doing this, it is one of my most important life goals.

Also, I agree that we shouldn’t avoid linking ourselves with Jesus, but sometimes “Christian” actually means something other than that!

something else in common!

I asked for 10.00 to be donated to bloodmission.org (i think that’s the website…there are a few others that do the same thing) to buy a well for a community, my brother actually asked for gifts from that catalogue…I never had a link to it though-so thanks!

And I’m curious (because I do identify myself as a Christian) what danger it is that you believe the word includes? I’m not asking to argue at all! I mean I know stereotypes that come with it, I’m just wondering what your point of view is.

also as far as ideas/suggestions about the actual goal…right now I’ve gone about as far as I can by only spending the money it takes to pay my bills and eat out once a month (which costs $5.00, yay for working at a restaurant and getting cheap food) but I hope to at some point be able to live in the apartment buildings directly next to our homeless shelter which would mean I would only be able to bring a few essentials (crime=insanely high in the city) and as a perk rent is lower, and I would be able to connect with the homeless more regularly, and on a deeper level hopefully…sorry this is so long!

Bob

I couldn’t find anything at bloodmission.org but it sounds like a good thing to support. I’m always amazed at how little it costs to do some things like put a kid through school for a whole year or get some vaccinations. A lot better than wasting money on gifts that are just going to fill the shelves of people who already have too much stuff.

I usually call myself Christian too, especially to people who I know, because I figure they’ll understand what it means to me, but in other contexts sometimes I describe what I think a Christian is rather than using that lable because some people interpret it to mean “do gooder” and others think that means you have the same politics as George Bush while others think it’s just to do with what religion your parents are. I hope that makes some sense.

That last paragraph is the greatest! I really admire how you want to live that way, it’s so different to most people in our culture, but I think it’s also essential for solving the problems in our societies/world. Keep me updated on how you go, it sounds really amazing.

i false-linked you :O

accidently, honestly. I can’t remember the website itself…essentially though, 10.00 gives one person clean water for life (because 1,000 is enough to put a well in a community…wells last decades…) and clean water= between a 30 and 50% decrease in disease. Sooo thats what the website was…

And I completely understand the qualms with the big C word, those are actually some of my frustrations with the way that the world today sees Christians…so not only does it make sense, but I actually agree. It can be motivating though, I mean how much more do we need to be actively living like Christ lived and casting off stereotypes/expectancies of everybody ele?(and I talk a big talk, but this is something that I am still in the very very beginning stages of learning how to do…)keep me updated with how everything is going with you too =)

doble.aire is trying to find a stable job that pays her enough to live and save.

I remember myself being a more “sacrifice” person. I used to study in a religious college from 1st to 10th grade. So I had the sacrifice culture very present.

Now I just leave it aside. I think it’s just tha one works so hard everyday, that we think we deserve ALL the good things. And we might do, but sometimes we can decline those things for a better good, not material, but spiritual. And this would be a sacrifice.

You’re giving us a great lesson with this goal. I so admire you. Thank you very much for sharing yourself with the world.

Bob

Thanks for the encouragement! I think one thing which is important to me is that even if I ‘deserve’ good things, there are plenty of other people who have worked hard all their lives and deserve them just as much as me, but they live in a situation which means that they struggle to survive. So in some ways this idea is really just about sharing the good stuff around so that it’s more fair.


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