good karma to replace the bad dogma

Mon, Mar. 21st, 2005, 04:37 am

petrNotail (3:33:14 AM): why do i hate myself?
tomservo900 (3:35:11 AM): is it yourself that you hate or how you fit in with what already is?
petrNotail (3:36:18 AM): not sure
petrNotail (3:36:27 AM): not sure at all
petrNotail (3:36:46 AM): i just feel guilty and paranoid 98% of the time
tomservo900 (3:38:11 AM): well, its hard to like yerdelf when you were told that youre evil for most of your life
petrNotail (3:39:05 AM): I had bad mojojo vibes from the parents tonight
tomservo900 (3:39:18 AM): how so?
petrNotail (3:39:23 AM): trying to explain why I hate everyone I went to highschool with cept hannah… and can’t relate to the “bc” crowd
petrNotail (3:39:26 AM): in front of bryce
petrNotail (3:39:29 AM): it was embarassing
petrNotail (3:39:39 AM): you think it has to do with the dogma?
tomservo900 (3:39:58 AM): thats certainly a llarge part of it
tomservo900 (3:41:51 AM): constantly being told that youre doing things wrong and that its your fault does have its due psychological effects
petrNotail (3:42:10 AM): hrmmm… effects I just cannot seem to shake
petrNotail (3:42:18 AM): it’s strange.
tomservo900 (3:43:16 AM): well, its prolly cause you dont have enough telling you otherwise…some good karma to replace tha bad dogma
petrNotail (3:45:43 AM): oh, no i have plenty telling me otherwise
petrNotail (3:45:47 AM): but it never seems to sink in
petrNotail (3:45:51 AM): i just get paranoid
tomservo900 (3:45:53 AM): so i can tell you theres nothing about you warrants any self hate…and wrong is just something people call things when they disagree with them
petrNotail (3:45:57 AM): when people tell me otherwise
petrNotail (3:46:12 AM): ah
tomservo900 (3:46:34 AM): hows that make you paranoid?
petrNotail (3:46:51 AM): it does
petrNotail (3:46:55 AM): i don’t know
petrNotail (3:47:02 AM): i am not good at self exploration
tomservo900 (3:48:22 AM): so some one telling you tht there is nothing to be paranoid about make you paranoid?
petrNotail (3:49:20 AM): perhaps
petrNotail (3:49:24 AM): everything makes me paranoid
tomservo900 (3:51:26 AM): why would you be paranoid about me?
petrNotail (3:52:10 AM): not about you
petrNotail (3:52:12 AM): i don;t know
petrNotail (3:52:16 AM): i’m feeling it
tomservo900 (3:52:49 AM): whats it feel like?
petrNotail (3:53:28 AM): i don’t know what things feel like
petrNotail (3:53:29 AM): hurt
petrNotail (3:53:34 AM): ANGST
petrNotail (3:53:36 AM): i need to be 21
petrNotail (3:53:39 AM): that is my plight
tomservo900 (3:55:45 AM): you feel hurt when youre paranoid?
petrNotail (3:56:17 AM): i feel scared
petrNotail (3:56:20 AM): helpless
petrNotail (3:56:21 AM): hurt
petrNotail (3:56:22 AM): stupid
tomservo900 (3:58:09 AM): what are you sacred of?
petrNotail (3:58:15 AM): life
petrNotail (3:58:17 AM): future
petrNotail (3:58:18 AM): failure
petrNotail (3:58:19 AM): living
tomservo900 (4:02:05 AM): those arent really things that can go wrong, they just go
petrNotail (4:02:42 AM): yes
petrNotail (4:02:49 AM): precisely why i shouldn’t feel ANXIOUS
tomservo900 (4:04:27 AM): but you are feeling that those things can go wrong…and its hard to comvince yourself they cant
tomservo900 (4:05:22 AM): i usually just say, “shit…oh well”
petrNotail (4:06:44 AM): you have things
petrNotail (4:06:48 AM): exacted out
petrNotail (4:06:54 AM): bryce is considering becoming a philo major
petrNotail (4:07:00 AM): i couldn’t handle one religion course
tomservo900 (4:07:35 AM): what do yuo mean you couldnt handle it?
petrNotail (4:08:33 AM): i had to drop it
petrNotail (4:08:37 AM): it made me get all fucked up inside
petrNotail (4:08:48 AM): talking about the inevitably of death
petrNotail (4:08:52 AM): the religious construct
petrNotail (4:09:12 AM): as a way to cope
tomservo900 (4:10:24 AM): well, if it works, thats as real as things need to be
petrNotail (4:10:53 AM): i just know
petrNotail (4:10:57 AM): i am never going to be an adult
petrNotail (4:11:03 AM): it’s something i have no conception of
petrNotail (4:11:08 AM): i cannot do things
petrNotail (4:11:09 AM): have job
petrNotail (4:11:11 AM): pay rent
petrNotail (4:11:12 AM): pay bills
petrNotail (4:11:14 AM): get up
petrNotail (4:11:16 AM): no
petrNotail (4:11:16 AM): no
petrNotail (4:11:32 AM): how?
tomservo900 (4:11:51 AM): how waht?
petrNotail (4:13:20 AM): how to grow up
petrNotail (4:13:35 AM): i’ve always been this way
petrNotail (4:13:36 AM): i can’t
petrNotail (4:13:39 AM): do otherwise
tomservo900 (4:14:45 AM): you are grown up
petrNotail (4:15:41 AM): am i?
tomservo900 (4:15:53 AM): sure
tomservo900 (4:16:43 AM): youve done enough of the things that grown ups do
petrNotail (4:16:51 AM): like?
tomservo900 (4:19:40 AM): youve had a job…gone grocery shopping…you can make food…perhaps laundry…youve drank a beer….smoked a cigarette…had sex been in love…driven peolpe to the airport…been up past youre bedtime…spoiled your appitite…and so on
petrNotail (4:20:26 AM): you should write a song about that
petrNotail (4:20:30 AM): things grown ups do
tomservo900 (4:20:38 AM): youve had grown up thoughts
tomservo900 (4:20:45 AM): read grown up books
tomservo900 (4:20:59 AM): written grown up things
tomservo900 (4:21:45 AM): you make grown ups what they are cos youre old
petrNotail (4:22:02 AM): i am that

m-w:
kar·ma
Pronunciation: \ˈkär-mə also ˈkər-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Sanskrit karma fate, work
Date: 1827
1often capitalized : the force generated by a person’s actions held in Hinduism and Buddhism to perpetuate transmigration and in its ethical consequences to determine the nature of the person’s next existence
2: vibration 4
— kar·mic \-mik\ adjective

wiki:
Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म kárma (help·info), kárman- “act, action, performance”[1]; Pali: kamma) is the concept of “action” or “deed” in Indian religions understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e., the cycle called saṃsāra) originating in ancient India and treated in Hindu, Jain, Sikh and Buddhist philosophies.

The philosophical explanation of karma can differ slightly between traditions, but the general concept is basically the same. Through the law of karma, the effects of all deeds actively create past, present, and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one’s own life, and the pain and joy it brings to him/her and others. The results or ‘fruits’ of actions are called karma-phala. In religions that incorporate reincarnation, karma extends through one’s present life and all past and future lives as well.

m-w:
Dogma
Pronunciation: \ˈdȯg-mə, ˈdäg-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural dogmas also dog·ma·ta \-mə-tə\
Etymology: Latin dogmat-, dogma, from Greek, from dokein to seem — more at decent
Date: 1638
1 a: something held as an established opinion; especially : a definite authoritative tenet b: a code of such tenets c: a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds
2: a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church

wiki:
Dogma (the plural is either dogmata or dogmas, Greek δόγμα, plural δόγματα) is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, ideology or any kind of organization, thought to be authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted or diverged from. While in the context of religion the term is largely descriptive, outside of religion its current usage tends to carry a pejorative connotation—referring to concepts as being “established” only according to a particular point of view, and thus one of doubtful foundation. This pejorative connotation is even stronger with the term dogmatic, used to describe a person of rigid beliefs who is not open to rational argument.

Dogmata are found in many religions such as Christianity, and Judaism, where they are considered core principles that must be upheld by all followers of that religion. As a fundamental element of religion, the term “dogma” is assigned to those theological tenets which are considered to be well demonstrated, such that their proposed disputation or revision effectively means that a person no longer accepts the given religion as his or her own, or has entered into a period of personal doubt. Dogma is distinguished from theological opinion regarding those things considered less well-known. Dogmata may be clarified and elaborated but not contradicted in novel teachings (e.g., Galatians 1:8-9). Rejection of dogma is considered heresy in certain religions, and may lead to expulsion from the religious group.

Karma in Jainism conveys a totally different meaning as commonly understood in the Hindu philosophy and western civilization. In Jainism, karma is referred to as karmic dirt, as it consists of very subtle and microscopic particles i.e. pudgala that pervade the entire universe. Karmas are attracted to the karmic field of a soul on account of vibrations created by activities of mind, speech, and body as well as on account of various mental dispositions. Hence the karmas are the subtle matter surrounding the consciousness of a soul. When these two components, i.e. consciousness and karma, interact, we experience the life we know at present.

Herman Kuhn quoting from Tattvarthasutra describes karmas as “a mechanism that makes us thoroughly experience the themes of our life until we gained optimal knowledge from them and until our emotional attachment to these themes falls off.”

According to Padmanabh Jaini “this emphasis on reaping the fruits only of one’s own karma was not restricted to the Jainas; both Hindus and Buddhist writers have produced doctrinal materials stressing the same point. Each of the latter traditions, however, developed practices in basic contradiction to such belief. In addition to shrardha (the ritual Hindu offerings by the son of deceased), we find among Hindus widespread adherence to the notion of divine intervention in ones fate, while Buddhists eventually came to propound such theories like boon-granting bodhisattvas, transfer of merit and like. Only Jainas have been absolutely unwilling to allow such ideas to penetrate their community, despite the fact that there must have been tremendous amount of social pressure on them to do so.”

-wiki